Thanks for the info Chris....certainly adds weight to my 'Go for it' side :salute:

This might help those who are worried about Microsoft spying on them through Windows 10...or at least explain a few things.
http://www.zdnet.com/article/no-micr...th-windows-10/

But it's much, much worse than we thought and there is so much that we don't know yet. You may be able to fix those items Microsoft has given us switches for, but their EULA makes it crystal clear that switching them off is no protection. Microsoft claims the right to every piece of programming or information you have in your unshared private folders anywhere on your computer, and reserves the right to collect, preserve and distribute any of it as they see fit.

From the EULA: "We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your e-mails, other private communications, or files in private folders) when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary"

There is much more, but that is all you need to know: that they boldly and openly remove all rights to your personal property when you consent to use Windows 10. This is not only not wise but it is illegal in the EU and probably in the US as well, as they have some obligation to protect the privacy rights of people who cannot protect themselves. The only good thing you can say about Microsoft is that their EULA, which nobody will read, is open, clear and non-legalistic about telling you that the cost of using Windows 10 is that everything about you is fair game and can be kept forever for any use to which Microsoft or any "partners" see fit.

You will notice that they don't say that they have those rights unless you opt out with the privacy options. You give them those rights ANYWAY. There is a reason for that and it's not in your best interest. It's a stark and boldly naked admission that after you shut down all the privacy options they will still have access to everything and reserve the right to use it as they see fit. You have no remaining ownership rights to your computer.

Excellent video explaining much much more and it's all bad

People should take a permanent pass on Windows 10 no matter how "wonderful" it seems because the price far outweighs any personal benefit from using it. It is a Trojan horse, all glittery and pretty as a lure for you to voluntarily give them your personal property so they can profit from your efforts and you get nothing good in return.

Here is the thing RR, I don't care. My information has been mined since my very first Windows 98 Acer 550 Monster. I can find everything about me by a simple google of my name. Places I lived, family members and places of employment.

There is nothing on my computer or digital life that MS can profit from.

If this new OS does not appeal to the user because of privacy issues then stay with the OS that works best. But, MS already has a lot on their users already. I don't think MS will get much more on me other than my obituaries one day. :haha::o

Then you would be one of the very few exceptions out there who do not agree that giving out the key to your house, your bank account numbers, your credit card numbers, all personal communications, even any software you have installed on your machine to a company who says they will use all that as they see fit, store it forever, disperse it to any and all "partners." If the EULA didn't say it I'd be accused of wearing a tin foil hat, but read it and weep. Your computer is theirs to use as they see fit and you no longer own it.

Your information has never been mined like this before unless a court ordered subpeona has been delivered to your door. But what the legal system must jump through hoops designed to protect your privacy for, you wish to just give away? Eveyone has grave harm that can be done to them if their personal information gets in the wrong hands. You have credit scores to trash, bank accounts to drain, work communications that are supposed to be confidential, passwords, you can go on and on. When you install Windows 10 you give Microsoft unlimited access to all of that PLUS the right to disperse the information to whoever they choose without notice to you or permission from you.....talk about unreasonable search and seizure!

Not seeing danger in that is incomprehensible to me. Criminals need guns and brass knuckles to get some of that info. Microsoft buys you with a "free" operating system. It's so far beyond the pale that people should go to prison for a long time. It's a mugging with a smile and "I've got your back."

No Windows 10 for me. It's as dangerous as walking around with your checkbook in your pocket.

In today's world one does not have much choice but to be on the internet with your information. You go to the bank. You set up an account. Your information ends up where and how does it get there? Can it be compromised? Yes sir. Deal in cash as much as possible. Pay your bills by check(hope the USPS gets it there on time or does not lose it thus incurring a late fee as a result). Not to mention mail theft and fraud. Pick your poison as it were.

Well, for your listening and dancing enjoyment, here's Leo LaPorte, a guy I've followed for fifteen years, middle of the road, noncontroversial guy saying what I'm saying maybe in a form that's better understood. He has a great story about Holland before WWII, very precise people, keeping records on everybody, who trusted their information wouldn't be dangerous in Holland's hands.

Nazi Germany came in, inherited the information and it was very, very easy for them to round up all the Jews because of this harmless information that had been collected for innocent reasons. Information doesn't always stay in the hands of those you trust and it can kill you.

So here's Leo LaPorte. He agrees with me that in buying Windows 10 you give Microsoft the right to access your hard drive and take whatever it wants and also thinks this is troubling. He blames it on government. He misses the point that if Microsoft controls your computer and your computer can read your encrypted hard drive then Microsoft can read our encrypted hard drive. They have stripped all right of privacy from us if we install Windows 10.

Sorry. I believe that privacy is a right and that guarding your privacy can be very important in unforeseen ways. And that's the real danger. You can't foresee what information will be important, you can't foresee who will use it and you can't defend yourself because you gave Microsoft permission to examine, record and distribute every byte of your hard drive without notice, without consent, and to whoever, whenever they choose. That's going too far. Many are in jail for less.

They can even record any sounds within the range of your microphone, whether or not you are presently using your microphone. Same with your webcam. The agreement attached to Cortana says that in the clear. No legalese. Just naked admission of intent to do wrong. And we're not supposed to have a problem with that. Remember when the high schooler went to jail for using a girl's webcam and posting naked pics of her on t he Internet? When you buy Windows 10 you give them the right to do that without recourse. What put the high school boy in jail would be a consentual act because you installed Windows 10. You want your daughter to be famous? This might work and you might not like it.

Edit: A biggie I forgot. Windows 10 automatically gives anyone on your e-mail contact list, all your Facebook buddies, and a host of other people automatic right to log onto YOUR wi-fi! So a criminal can befriend you on Facebook or Google +, let it marinate for a year, then use your network for illegal activities for which you will be held responsible. Why? Because you have him the right to use your network and you are presumed to have done so in an informed manner. It's like lending your car to a drug smuggler. If he's stopped your car is seized and becomes the property of the entity who busted the smuggler. Your wi-fi is like that and with Windows 10 you give up the right to control the use of your own property.

Ok, how do you know all this? I am looking through the webs, I would like to read some substantiated sources that Windows 10 can automatically gives anyone on your e-mail contact list, all your Facebook buddies, and a host of other people automatic right to log onto YOUR wi-fi as well as access data on the HD? I see that there are things to consider, but they don't sound as excessive as you make them out to be,

http://www.slate.com/articles/techno...plug_them.html

http://www.howtogeek.com/221864/digg...vacy-settings/

Couple of friends who upgraded to Win10 are now cheesed off as both of them can't get the menu to work after getting a update.

Just another reason why I'm holding off for now.

Well then I guess Hillary Clinton should not migrate to Windows 10. But her hard drive has been subpoenaed and her daughters hard drive mysteriously was reformatted during her postpartum.

I can assure you Windows 10 is not giving out POTUS email addresses and has little interest in his FB buddies.

Further, the US government uses Windows almost exclusively. Do you mean to tell me when the government migrates to 10 all that goes on with each and every program the government uses is now at MS disposal?

Yes, I'm aware of the webcam ordeal. Some lower level hackers getting access. Put a piece of tape over the camera lense. But again, this happened before 10 was introduced.

This is nowhere remotely close to giving my vehicle to a drug smuggler.

And to what end with all the cloak and dagger of Windows 10? What grand conspiracy? What master plan are we talking here? Of what use does Bill Gates or anyone at MS have with my info?

Nothing wrong with waiting until the program is polished.

I upgraded a couple of weeks ago, so far so good.

Confusers?...
 

So I asked Cortana; "Are you stupid?"
The reply was; " One of us needs to take a break and one of us has no lungs"
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:har:

She was right. :haha:

I dare not respond :har:

I was flicking though a Win10 book at the bookshop today and to me its looks like 90% is same old stuff glossed up or tweaked with 10% new stuff, is that the case? :hmmm:

Basically, yes. There are very few learning curve obstacles (unless you are upgrading from, say, XP or earlier) and the installations I have done so far are running very well. All in all, no major complaints...

As for the privacy, complaints, are we to assume those who are the most vocal have no operating systems on their computers or devices, they have no wireless, they have no applications installed, they have no email accounts, no social networking, and no browsers? Any and/or all of the above, and some other apps, will render the tightest of security "loose" and any combination of the above will exponentially increase the "looseness". The only solution is to keep any data or content you don't want "them" to see on a device not hooked up to the internet in any way. Sort of becoming a technological hermit...


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Regarding Neal's question "where do you read all this" when it comes to MS's "intrusions", it is first stated during installation and then of course it is all in the EULA, you know this tiny, easily understandable scrap of (virtual) paper you have to agree to.
Not that anyone ever reads that ..

While we know what can be observed already on a server adminstration level within domains, don't you think there are much more built-in backdoors.. known, and made intentionally accessible for the NSA et al. ..

While this all may be fine for the average user (even if he is silently stripped of his guaranteed rights already within the US), how and why you would be using an OS like Windows by any other than the US government worldwide, is beyond me.

Regarding Internet, this has its own backdoors, after all it was a military network (DARPA etc.), then opened for the public... :03:


If we want to be sure we need an own OS, and an own online communications net. This will also be compromised sooner or late, but it would at least not be THAT easy.

Data mining aside I can't wait for Win 10 to finally fix the DTS connect/Dolby digital Live issue over coax and toslink, it is really annoying I can't enjoy 5.1 audio over a digital connection. This issue was brought up early in spring this year and wasn't taken care of before launch. There is hope that the fix will find it's way into the next insider build though.
Still I am baffled that something brought up more than half a year ago was not corrected before launching the product.