Totally agree with the above, when someone declares they take responsibility, it's just code that no one is going to lose a job.

This morning I bet I heard a dozen times "the American people voted for Obamacare", but fact is the program is hardly what we voted for....

I don't see the GOP winning the pres office anytime soon unless things get real bad. They're too divided..... I think they're many that believe in the principles of small govt, but they're also socially liberal. As long as the GOP connects radical religious principles to the platform, forget it...

After a count, 14 people I know have lost their insurance, all under 30, I can not find a plan on the exchanges even close to the low prices were paying before since obamacare requires them to carry things on their policies they do not want nor do they need, but big brother says they do.Around half of them voted for obama both times.Normally I would gloat, but it's just sad watching this play out yet it makes me angry as they are just shocked and confused when they refused to listen to those of us sounding the alarm on this many and his policies for five years, especially this one.They refused to do research on him and think independently instead of buying into the identity politics and emotional driven propaganda from obama and his loyal band of ignorant followers.SMH, sad:/\\!!

I have lost faith that the GOP is for smaller government. I can't remember any GOP president, in my lifetime, that moved for smaller government. All the Republicans and Democrats want to do is make specific parts of the government smaller (cut funding) while increasing other parts (increase funding).

It would not be all that bad if it was a zero gain, but both parties want to expand "their" favourite parts of the government more than cutting the parts they don't like.

End result from both parties -- increased size and cost of government. :/\\!!

The political spectrum in the US is not accurately depicted as a straight line (left, center, right) but more a mobius strip. :/\\!!

And here I thought it looked more like a trapezoidal parallelogram trying to solve its own hypotonuse.:hmmm:

Without us taking away from the discussion, which is about obamacare, I will say Reagan is the only one who made a real effort but due to the cold war, he was forced to spend to win.Yes, his military budget increased but he rebuilt the US military and I know his detractors will try to say his efforts did not lead to the end of the cold war but they did.Instead of "dicking" around with them as every President since end of WW II had, he called them out, confronted communism head on.This contributed in a major way to the fall of the soviet union.

Fact is, we will never see the small government we want again because too many depend on the government for their job, or welfare benefits, healthcare etc.The Federal government was NEVER supposed to be the factor in the daily lives of americans that it is, but sadly it is entrenched now and about half of this country that votes will never let it be rolled back to where it needs to be.Best can hope for is vote for the real, small government, libertarian conservative candidates who will do their absolute best.Rand Paul is a great example, would see things rolled back as much as possible, of course it depends on who controls congress as well.A "regular" Republican and especially a Democrat(their ideology is about a large, centralized government) will never deliver what we need.

The Bush years and especially the obama years are just absolute proof of why we must do our best to to make the federal government a non factor in our daily lives.Hopefully with the disaster of obamacare will get us a bettewr congress next year and a decent president in 2016 it will keep the Dems and RINO types out of power long enough to facilitate a real recovery.

I do wish we could get the momentum to repeal the Federal Reserve Act and 16th amendment, starve the beast of it's money and thus it's power, but doubt it will happen anytime soon, if ever.Too many Americans are too ignorant to even know why this needs to happen.

The Dems talking about all those signing up, but in every state I've seen, probably 99% of those joining are those going on medicaid...Course Dems are saying once the website works out, millions will join the private sector....

Really, if it were not such a threat to the economy I would get a laugh out of this, how some are trying to defend it because obama is their savior then how those who were dumb enough to believe him are just angry and confused b ut difficult to do so when have known and now it is further confirmed what I and everyone else who oppose this law have said, it's only going to hurt the country and unfortunately, this is only the start of the pain many will feel due to this monstrosity of "law", just sad our nation was stupid enough to let this happen.

That must be a real bugger for those states who chose to opt out of the expansion, it means they don't get the funding which is there to help cover the increased numbers which were expected.

One question.
Does the ACA get rid of the 2003 law which prevents the government from engaging in normal business practices with the health industry in regards to purchases?
For example, are they still required to pay massive corporations a fixed price per tablet regardless of if they are buying one pill or a billion of them?

I think sticker shock will turn many to pay the fine first year. Many who have been canceled are seeing premiums jump by quite a bit. Enough where their budget can't carry it. Let's face it, many were told for three years that they can keep their plan. That is what they budget for. Many where told the premiums would go down $2500 for a family of 4. This is what people budgeted for. As it turns out, the increase per month is nothing short of a new car payment. People did not budget for that. But, in the Dems eyes those canceled plans were horrible and the mean old insurance company should be ashamed. The Dems believe everyone needs maternity coverage. CDS abuse coverage. Millions don't need this coverage but are forced to pay for it.

From what I understand the only funding to the states would pay for the states website and folks operating it. Good question. Need to check that out.

The ACA law is 2000 plus pages. We could ask Harry Reid about government practices under the law but I'm certain Reid and all the others don't know for failure to read the bill. I'm certain none know what the charge is for anything.

Personally I attribute the growth of federal government under both parties as the aftermath of 911. It wrote the professional politicians working in federal government a blank check. Frankly, I'm having a hard time remembering how things were before 911.

Your biggest problem was the president getting a blowjob.

No, the extra funding(10% of the cost) is for those who would be just above the poverty level and those who are below the poverty level but above the States level for coverage.
If you look at somewhere like Arkansas that covers a huge segment as is locally set at only 17% of federal the poverty level.

Fixed.

Tribesman, can you send me the link for the additional Fed help if a state does design and implement their own site? I can not find any. From what I recall the option was on the table to have the Fed run the site or the state run their site. There was no benefits for either.

Amazing how times have changed........

No, our biggest problem was the president lying about said act under oath. If normal people do that it's called perjury.

Cross purposes
It isn't about sites or exchanges, its about the Medicaid expansion, or rather the states which are rejecting the money for it and lumbering themselves with the cost of the uninsured who will fall above the state levels and not reach the federal subsidy level.
Kaiser is a good place for information.

Thank you, that was always the problem, Republicans let the media spin it that they were outraged about a blowjob when majority were angry about Clinton outright lying under oath and to the american people in his infamous( "Let me tell you America") moment.I could care less he got a blow job, if obama was caught cheating, I would not care either unless he did his usual routine of lies and more lies.This country has grown up some on sexual issues since the late 90's but still far too uptight.I really could not blame Bill, imagine being married to Hillary? BLEH :har:

You have to admit, Clinton perjuring over a blowjob is really small fry compared to what's in the skillet these days.

Yep, schoolyard antics back in the 90's.