banning a flyover... is like blocking the road.
What just happened made us Europeans very popular down there.
Not.

i mean like... Its the president on a diplomatic Mission!
The EU is such a Puppy to the US.

Who is scared of Big bad Obama?

BOOO!


wished he was on board.:yep:
THEN WHAT. whatchagonnado bout that! Take Snowden in custody? Face up and thank the man?

EU just avoided standing up for itself.
:nope:

25 independant nations and Russia should cooperate and the 25 should send airplanes to Moscow.
74 Snowdon body look alike guys with guy fawkes masks and small baggage should enter the airport.
75 masked persons should leave it later to take off again - heading home.
All 25 nations should officially grant Snowdon asylum, because he entered their territory.

That would be a cool action.

We have a guest room and a filled fridge. If Snowden wants to live here with us, we'd feel honoured.

...!
+1

What is the situation (regarding legality and diplomatic immunity) of the stunt some European countries and Austria just have run on the Bolevian president's plane which was forced to land at Vienna and then claimed to be searched for Snowden, with the president being aboard?

I imagine the american reaction if Air Force One with POTUS aboard gets forced to land at let's say a Birmese airport and there gets entered and searched over claims that somebody wanted by Russia or China could be aboard.

At least the forum would reach boiling temperature in zero time, I'm sure. And the US homeland and parts of the world as well, probably.

Reports are not clear so far. It seems that closing national airspaces surprisngly forced the plane to land and Vienna due to fuel shortages resulting from the surprising closings. Austrian officials contradict themselves on whether the plane has been searched or not. Bolivian claims also contradict themselves. From both sides you get reports on both a search took place, and a search not having taken place.

They would start the B-52s on special training and recce missions.
Europe just screwed up in regards to south America.
Embarassing to say the least.

When is this kind of wiretapping ever been the cause of a war?

The longer this second-rate theatre goes, the more I think Snowden is in "Iceland". :up:

No one has seen him in Moscow - for at least a week now.

I guess he was well prepared. The Cuban flight was a great distraction and his ticket to "Iceland" was maybe bought with another passport. I'd plan ahead in his situation.

This running comedy is just to blur his trails and all these demasking actions of the US and the other involved nations are an eye-opening side effect.

Putin is hosting a show and our best of all actors are making fools of themselves to shock the audience with insight.

And no one talks about the real issue - all the garbage we see in the media is almost the same desinformation that we hear from the government.

Of course. That's where the news media gets their stories. From the government.
We have literally hundreds of Baghdad Bobs.:hmmm:

Is this the same guy also known as Comical Ali?

http://b.vimeocdn.com/ts/110/163/110163461_640.jpg

Consequences? Like this?
 

:haha:

Just pissing off a lot of folks.:nope::nope:
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2...id=msnhp&pos=1

Interesting
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...s-nsa-requests

NYT reports that ALL paper mail in the US gets photographed from outside and data like sender and receiver transferred to NSA, data gets stored for unlimited time.

The more this story unfolds, the more the guys of the Stasi must feel like untalented idiots.

Needless to say that all this is not exactly anargument to counter my opinion that states are the enemies of the citizens living in them and that government s forever seek to grab more control and power over people until an absolute totalitarian dictaorship has been established. With computer and digitalisation of our culture and society you will see it all racing down that lane in the coming years and decades, until the end. Electikns or laws will do sh! t to stop this. It is an inherent feature of just any governmental system to allways grab more control and power until control is total and absolute.

we are all suspects, assumed guilty as long as we do not prove our innocence and, more important, our loyalty. And the governments silently have errected an invisible prison around us, yes. They close the last holes in the prison walls. We keep on dreaming. Only dilletantic regimes maintain tyranny by brute force. In the West it is being done far more subtle, and lasting.

NOBODY SHOULD HAVE THAT AMOUNT OF POWER, AND NO GOVERNMENT SHOULD EVER HAVE THAT AMOUNT OF POWER. Nothing good can come from this.

knock knock Neo...
The matrix has you.:timeout:

Now be a good little battery.

Today!

http://rt.com/usa/4th-amendment-nsa-protests-665/

Just because there is only little information about in the US media.

Honi soit qui mal y pense.

I love protest banners, Realy brings up the creativity of the people in bite size phrases

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOV12YZCAAA4pW8.jpg:large

I found it extremely funny that some countries even denied Bolivia's president Morales' plane to fly through their airspace just because of rumours that Snowden might have been aboard:
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/04/wo...den/index.html

It would be totally embarrassing if it wasn't so worrying. :dead:
Imagine some country would force Airforce One to land somewhere unscheduled....

French massive surveillance program revealed by Le Monde yesterday, much of it apparently illegal and in violation of French laws. Huge German program rumoured and hinted at over the week.

No checks and balances anywhere. System failure one calls that.

I am not surprised.

next the benelux. Then The Latinos...

sitting tight and looking for an opportunity to protest.