Thankfully the semester has already ended for me and my eldest already. I can imagine some chaos tomorrow, so I think we'll be staying in. Besides, I have Rolos to eat. Lots of Rolos.

We receive emails and automated calls concerning issues like this. Each and every rumor or chatter of problems is investigated. Additional police presence is ordered. I can say my 14 year old is concerned for her safety. Not in school really, just in public in general. The lunacy is out of control.

Well as they were so obvious I didn't think poeple would have dificulty spotting how they don't fit in a topic about nuts on a random rampage.

1. A racist nut tries to start a war for the white race with his mythical christian templar army by attacking parliament with a bomb and then attacking a political parties gathering to further his aims as set out in his long rambling "political/cultural" agenda published on the internet.
2. That fits, a gun nut has a arguement with his mother and goes on a random rampage.
3. Some soldiers and some terrorists set up an illegal checkpoint and slaughter some of the people they stop on the basis of their religious affiliation.
4. Some terrorists set up a road block stopped a van and then after seperating individuals of the "wrong" religion shot them.
5. Some terrorists blew up a military themed gathering on the notion that anyone in attendance would be on "the other side" of the political divide.
6. A massacre of surrendered disarmed prisoners during a rather brutal civil war which has at its base divisions over religion and ethnicity.
7. Some terrorists in the employment of the state using tax payer funded weapons which were illegally shipped from an embargoed pariah state murder people in a place because the location is one frequented by people of the "wrong" religion.
8. That fits, a gun nut facing the prospect of losing his guns and losing the ability to work with children goes on a rampage.
9. some terrorists including an american working for the government as an undercover terrorist fund raiser randomly blow up a town center full of people in an attempt to stop a political process.

Simple isn't it. :yep: 2 events in a 25 year period

But hey August has since upped the ante in ridiculousness.
Now in the other schools shooting topic we are getting things like.... the legions of Rome beat the armies of the druids in ancient gaul and that was a massacre so they do happen everywhere which is why teachers need guns :doh:

I don't know, this list of rampage killers is a bit larger than yours.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers


I do not see it as that simple after looking over this list.

This guy got pissed at his girlfriend. 57 dead when all said and done.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woo_Bum-kon

:hmmm:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungerford_massacre

Kills mom, people, his own dog.

Listed are school shooting worldwide. A propensity in the US but none-the-less similar shootings in other countries,


http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html

It isn't my list, it was Augusts.

That list....."Not included are school massacres"?
School shooting was the news wasn't it.

Is that the one that led to changes of law in things like magazine capacity and possesion of assault rifles?
Any nuts gone on a spree with an assault rifle there since?

So a measure of one single country compared to the rest of the world together, one country still tops the list.
You can even do it as one country against a continent to in theory reduce the odds and give the US a better chance, it still tops the list.

No matter. The list is comprehensive and provides a better picture.



My post above yours has a list of school shooting.



I do not know if this incident spearheaded a change to the laws. I can not answer question 2 as a result. I gathered lists to get a broad picture of shooting sprees around the world and not focus on a singular event.


Yes, the one country(US) does top the list across the board. I will take a stab at it and conclude the ready availability of weapons at Walmart and home probably play a part. This does not cover mental instability,crime of passion or just purely insane. I suspect it would take a lifetime of study to find the correct answers. But, not to worry, our good government will figure it out. :doh:

The list of Augusts bears no relation to the subject, as such it provides no picture not a better picture.

And that list is addressed in the last bit of the post which followed it.

Firstly it is all in the link you posted, if you are posting a link to make even a broad point do you not think it would be a good idea to read them first?
Especially since this tangent has developed as someone listed some entirely unrelated events and truied to use them as a measure.

The thing there is as I mentioned before the variables over mental problems social issues etc. can be covered from every angle given the large number of countries to sample, no matter which way you cut it America always stands out, which leaves you with the one thing we are told is different about America as being the only possible answer.
Now addresing that answer is another matter entirely, but refusing to accept that it is the answer which needs addressing is just plain silly.

wrong topic, that line belongs in this thread. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=184647

August list was not on the table as result of more comprehensive lists that I found. There was no attempt to really create a relationship or credit the list of August.


Yes, later on in your post.

I'm not going to go line by line to prove any points. The lists were provided to see what has happened around the globe in the past. Not a sultry sum of 12 hand picked incidents. A brief look one can see there is a numerous shooting in the US. There is no reason to go into detail on each. If you so wish to dissect and analyze each incident feel free. So no, I don't see it is a good idea to read the entire link in this case.

Didn't I just say this after making a cursory look at the list I provided? :rotfl2:



And what is that one thing? We all have water on the brain and weapons at our disposal? :rotfl2:

so you don't think you should know the possible relevance of any information you may wish to introduce.
A novel idea.

We are frequently told that America has a gun culture that is unique and that no one else can understand.
We are frequently shown an almost fetish like devoltion to an old line written a long time ago which despite never actually existing in reality is held up as a holy grail of the essensce of the nation even though the dumb cluts who wrote it couldn't agree what it really meant and which the population have been argueing for over 200 years over what it really says.



An illustration of another dumb cluck was kindly given today by that twat from the NRA.
An instantly accesible nationwide database to help cure the problem of nuts with guns:yeah:sensible eh.....though of course you cannot include guns on a database as guns are special

What a looser. :nope:

Tribes, the list was to provide back up on your position that we are somehow different. You chose to go off on a tangent about reading and writing a dissertation when it is not necessary. Purely a waste of time and energy to do so in this case.

There is a culture. As I have stated before in this thread, normally these are called clubs. I suspect each country has a culture unique to weapons. Those that my have them that is. But yes, by and large, there looks to be a gun craze in the US. As a result it is unique.

Now you are not thinking clearly. The fetish has nothing to do with the old line written by a klutz 200 years ago. These are two separate things. One is a law. The other believing a object has special magical powers or spirits. Fetish often relating to something sexual in nature. At any rate, those klutz 200 years ago afforded rights and freedoms some in the world can only dream of. Bill of Rigths and Constitution written by klutz's afford other freedoms other than owning a weapon. I suspect Einstein got a few things wrong every now and then. It does not make him klutz. :rotfl2:


You lost me here. :06:

The way some people cling to the second and give it absolute devotion above the constitution and all the other amendments gives it that fetish nature.

The idiot announced that they would favour a national database of every individual with possible mental issues to ensure they couldn't get guns, yet still refuses to have a national database of gunsales to identify which people have guns and still refuses that all gun sales should be subject to a background check...so like the criminal database which he proposes mirroring with a mental health check he wishes to ensure that it can never work.



Tighten up August.
Watch out August the romans are going to massacre people after they defeat the army, make sure you are armed better than the army or the romans will get ya because massacres happen:har::har::har::har::har:

I think it is obsession and not so much a fetish.

Tribes, a national gun registry will be just as unreliable as the registry at state level. Possibly worse. I don't think that is the answer.

True, but the absence of one contributes to the problem.
And without something to match against the "do not let this person have guns" list the list is a waste of time, likewise with the "no checkups are needed if you buy the gun here" points of sale.

How many killers recently have left the afterrtale of "he shouldn't actually have been able to buy the gun"?
Even if you look at murders at shooting ranges you get the tale of "they shouldn't have even been permitted to enter a range or hire the gun"

Ultimately there will not be a fool proof method in controlling guns. It would seem it is the same issue when attempting to control drinking and driving. This entire ordeal will end up being nothing but posturing. Eventually it will fad from the forefront of media followed by the people. Life goes on. Gun sales continue.

Why is hollywood hiding these days? Some sort a sense guilt finally kick in?

It's okay, it's just a game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UadzYIwors

Bull****.

You seem to forget the fact that hollywood movies and games are distributed worldwide.
Yet, it doesnt cause shootings in the rest of the world in the scale that is happening in the US. :hmmm:

To me that points that there is a problem with your culture. As been said number of times, with the mental health care.

It's not the movies nor games.

I leave you with what Phil Plait said: http://tiny.cc/3u9opw

And especially this quote:

I had someone tell me that this wasn't a good example because the player is portraying a secret agent and if he doesn't participate in the massacre the other terrorists will shoot him and that at the end of scenario the players avatar is killed anyways by the head bad guy who has learned of the agents identity.

He said "But it's ok because you're forced to do it!"

What a nice message to send...