Totally agree to that.....and lots of other things.
That what i would call xenophobia.

I think it is more precise to diagnose "autophobia", a fear of one'S own identity and fearing to stand up in defence of it. The "xenophobia" some may feel indeed (racists, not islam critics) is just a superficial symptom of that psychosis the author diagnoses, but at the heart of that psychosis lies a very strong autophobia, if not self-hate.

The German essay that I linked yesterday and did not translate due to its length, also argues like that. It's author, a psychiatrist and theologist, points out the strict polarisation between good and evil that this thing called political correctness now aggressively enforces in our societies, defining what is acceptable to say and to think and to do, and what people nowadays must be burned at the stake for in thought, statement and behavior. This is expression of the deep uncertainity that dominates our people's minds that no longer are allowed to ground on traditional identities and value systems basing on a long history and identity-forming. Our old identity feeling, our identification with our culture and history, have been deconstructed and destroyed, the old standards and scale have been destroyed, disorientation is the consequence, and this leads to the totalitarian dictate of standards as defined by poltiical correctness. But PC is just the garbage that got sucked in by the vacuum we have allowed to be created inside of our communities. That we did this, has several reasons, the second world war may have a role here, the reoirentation towards total comuerism and materialsm denying noin-material values, the merciless competition race the individual has to survive today, and the relativisation of the influence of the churches' role and the Christian dogma.

The West is a hollow torso. a vaccum is filled by what before was outside the system. Islam happened to stand close by whwere before it was actively fought back since centuries, and political correctness is just something like the reacxtion of an immune-system turning against the hosting organism by mistake, because the host does not identify its own legitimate identity anymore.

I just can't get past the irony of Sky citing CBN. :o

Got a linky on that? I can't find that on the news pages. All I can find is that he is "considering all options", but has not make any decision yet.

:o
Skybird
Seriously....

:timeout::timeout::timeout::timeout::timeout:

CHILL OUT

He tries to trade deceptive phrases and blatant lies for time. Honeytalk. He already said that moving the mosque to another place according to his "advisors" would not make a difference for taming public opinion - which means he really says: "why moving it at all, then?"

Many people are so gullible. They readily and immediately believe everything they are being told as long as it is what they want to hear. Reality check is not needed anymore.

Why not?
He goes anywhere to find articles that fit his views.
700club, thats mild, crazy copts, hey thats fine, neo nazis, well they must have a point, sikh terrorists, well at least they blow up less planes.:doh:

The real irony is that he writes this.......

....and is so blind with his hatred that he cannot even see that he refers to himself precisely.

Psst that's not irony. That's hypocrisy. The two words are not interchangeable.

Beat you to it Steve! :D

A government with the power to ban or legislate thought—political, religious, or otherwise—is a terrifying idea.

I can't stand any fundamentalism, particularly Islam, but I'd fight a government that tried to ban it.

I didn't even notice.

That said, I'm not sure this fits the dictionary definition of either term. I don't know what you'd call it.

Can I use that for my sig next month?

It is irony; literary irony. From dictionary.com, definition 2a:

a technique of indicating, as through character or plot development, an intention or attitude opposite to that which is actually or ostensibly stated.

Per the post originally referenced, the author decries theology by citing a press release from a theologically-motivated organization; something contrary to the established motives of said author.

Double irony. :know:

I think Tribesman was refering to his belief that Skybird is condemning certain attitudes in others that he displays himself. And I think that's what Platapus was responding to, which is what I responded to.

And if I'm wrong in that thought, then by this time I'm so far wrong that it'll take a left turn to get me right again. :dead:

Lunacy perhaps?
Then again that would be linked to the lunar cycle and since Skys habit of trawling the most distasteful and extremist publications for his latest "its the muslims" articles to cut and paste seems to go on non stop it would have to be the entire lunar cycle.
So that makes it total lunacy doesn't it

Yes, just like with his fundamentalism which he has but opposes, his supposed love for the protection of freedom coupled with a dream of destroying that freedom and his intolerance of intolerance while being intolerant.:yeah:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...lled-quran-row

american idiots burn some pages of an easily reprintable and repurchasable book that costs virtually nothing

muslim idiots burn school in retaliation, a school that does not cost nothing, and unlike the book in question, may actually have done some good.

then some muslim idiots get themselves killed over this trivial offense. Good for them, i say. I'm sure their grieving relatives think it is a worthwhile cause to die for.

from the same newspaper, the guardian, which is the most eloquent and intelligent hard-liberal newspaper in the world i think

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...-mosque-incite

The honourable Imam of the ground zero mosque now decides to say that they can't not build the mosque there because this will incite more violence and fury from the militants. Militants, mind!

Honestly, this particular guy is not without an agenda. He wants to build his Islamic center and he wants to build it right there, knowing full well the whole world is watching. And having seen the exploitation of the threat of muslim violence to get mr. nuts-o-rama from florida to refrain from burning his koran, he now attempts to exploit the same fear to win this part of the current issue too.

My prediction is that Imam Faisal will not back down due to sensivity. The non-muslims will do that. The Imam will win this. And everyone, muslim and non-muslim will know it.

At the end of the text he makes his comment that if only he knew then what would have happened when he started, he would have not gone ahead. I like this because it very closely parallels the words of Hassan Nasrallah, leader of Hezbollah, after the brief war with Israel in 2006. Which was funny, since by universal agreement, Nasrallah personally was the undisputed winner in that war.

Don't assume that these nuances go unnoticed.

Seems to be a slow-mind day today. Okay, for the longsleepers, I repeat again what I already said the first time: I do not know much about CBN, and I also do not care (obviously). I refer top just this single video news, becasue I know from many news from different non-CBN-sources that over the past 1-2 years indeed in roughyl ten european countries criinal cases have been filed against persons who published crtiical opinions or analysis on Islam. Not more and not less the video snippet is reporting. The case of that austrian woman also is true, it has been in the news over here already long time ago.

Display of typical behavior here from people who cannot deal with the aergument and thus try to make it forgotten and ignored by ridiculing it in some other way. ;) Fact remains that in europe you can be sued for critical opinion on relgion in general and Islam in special. And if that does not give especially those total freedom-glorifying ameicans amongst you the creeps, than I would say that you never have had a point at all when you talked about freedom in the past. ;) You fear censorship? You want to talk out against it? Well, the criminalisation of not being supportive in opinion on religion and criticisng it even in argument, not over racial claims but ideologic content - that is censorship pure and in its original meaning. and your political caste is as infested by it already as our general societies over here.

So keep on laughing, if you find that funny! :up: