Ah yes, this is of most essential relevance and absolutely vital for the importance of the issue.

According to one youtube video entry, 17,000, according to another 40,000, according to two German news sources that brought me on this, 40,000.

Can we now count the clouds in the sky, please? :yeah:

Titanic didn't hit the berg because of Captain Smith's arrogance or because it had (very slightly) smaller rudder than it should've had. :hmph:

Okay, lets derail it here. The cause for the Titanic was that the ship raced through a zone with known icefields and icebergs, at night, at a higher speed than would be recommendable under such conditions, becasue the captain did not want to fail the very ambitious timetable for the first voyage of the ship. wrong decision on his side. The ship's helm was too small too allow course corrrections in time for objects appearing in sightr at those viewing distances. The ship hit an iceberg, and bolts of minor quality used for building it increased the range of the damage done from that impact needlessly, somewhat having corrupted ideas of the principle design idea.

thats usually the general story being told, more or less. Back to original topic.

Just to add to your post, the Titanic hit the iceberg because of the reasons stated above, AND because the captain slowed the ship before turning. Had Smith had increased speed, the turning radius of the Titanic would have decreased, and it would have (most likely) slipped past unharmed.
Like you said, back to original topic :D

This is a mix of hindsight and myth.

British inquiry's final report:

"Why, then, did the Master persevere in his course and maintain his speed? The answer is to be found in the evidence. It was shown that for many years past, indeed, for a quarter of a century or more, the practice of liners using this track when in the vicinity of ice at night had been in clear weather to keep the course, to maintain the speed and to trust to a sharp look-out to enable them to avoid the danger. This practice, it was said, had been justified by experience, no casualties having resulted from it. I accept the evidence as to the practice and as to the immunity from casualties which is said to have accompanied it."

and

"In these circumstances I am not able to blame Captain Smith. He had not the experience which his own misfortune has afforded to those whom he has left behind, and he was doing only that which other skilled men would have done in the same position."

As for the speed record myth, same final report addresses it by saying:

"The evidence shows that he was not trying to make any record passage or indeed any exceptionally quick passage. He was not trying to please anybody, but was exercising his own discretion in the way he thought best. He made a mistake, a very grievous mistake, but one in which, in face of the practice and of past experience, negligence cannot he said to have had any part; and in the absence of negligence it is, in my opinion, impossible to fix Captain Smith with blame."

Titanic wasn't built to dodge icebergs left and right. As I already stated, the rudder was marginally too small, but the ship still could turn pretty tight.(see photo below)

http://imgur.com/vtqEtM9http://i.imgur.com/vtqEtM9.jpg
Photo taken aboard the Titanic as it sailed from Cherbourg to Queenstown.

Even with marginally larger rudder, it is unlikely Titanic could have avoided the iceberg, there simply was no time and stopping/reversing the engines only made the rudder less effective.

These "minor quality" bolts (rivets, actually) seem to have had little trouble withstanding the impact of the ship hitting the bottom... :roll:

@CaptainRamius: Captain Smith didn't give any of the orders, First Officer Murdoch had the bridge at the time of the collision.

It seems that the dirtbag that blesed this planet by blowing herself up did it, when she encountered the police dog Diesel, mortaly wounding the unfortunate police dog.
If a police squad would have been the first thing she'd encounter, the death toll would have been higher.

Diesel :salute:

So France increasing military strikes in Syria is what, part of the script as well?

5,000 rounds fired off this morning in St. Denis all part of the script?

Who wrote this bloody thing? If they can predict everything why so I still lose money on horse races?

Yeah, back to the gold standard. That's a great idea that is in no way total lunacy.

Oh man that's so edgy. Real thinking there.


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In case you may not have seen it anyone, I posted an analysis on the original attacks on Page 11 of this thread, of which Oberon (thank you, btw) graciously agreed with. I feel that what I mention in there is, at least to some degree, accurate.

And now, no offense to those this pertains to: If you want to discuss the sinking of the Titanic, there's a 'New Topic' button for that. We're here to discuss the attacks on Paris and the subsequent operations that have or will occur.

Also, just heard Premier Hollande is extending the State of Emergency for another 3 months in order to give he authorities more power in terms of searching and prosecution.

Abdel­hamid Abaaoud, the suspected architect of the Terrorist attack in Paris last Friday was killed in a pre dawn raid Wednesday by French Police Commandos.

Quote :
Paris prosecutor François Molins, speaking to reporters hours after the siege, said he could not provide the identities of the people killed at the scene. A French security official declined to confirm or deny that Abaaoud had died. U.S. officials said they were awaiting confirmation of the identities of those slain. The two European officials from different countries, who have followed the case closely, said they had received the information about Abaaoud’s death from French authorities. The two officials spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters.


Suspected architect of Paris attacks is dead, 2 senior European officials say
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...2c2_story.html

I'm afraid the Post jumped the gun a little, it's not confirmed yet. There's possibly a body that needs to be identified, so he might be it, but as of this time his death is not confirmed.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34859082

Any updates on any activities in Paris or the surrounding regions?

That's always the way. I'm sure the forensic people will be working on it though to establish his identity.

Tis now confirmed...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34867615

Indeed, and good riddance too. Always a shame that we can't deny them their wish to martyr themselves and drop them in max-sec solitary for the rest of their life, but in a situation like this one, there is little other option.