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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2343229)

On a Danish news side I read following

The conservative(C) who's a supporting party to the Government has said Denmark should send not only F-16 to bomb IS, but also special forces to protect civilians in Syria-which mean engage IS, Assad's soldiers and other fighting units in Syria, if they are a threat to civilians.

When I read it, I thought.

Russian soldiers are in Syria and now perhaps Danish Special forces

Not a good cocktail.

Edit. Since Sunday afternoon about 1300 Refugees and Immigrant has crossed the German-Danish Border. It's a little kind of Crisis here in Denmark. Most of them are heading for Sweden. About 500 has vanished, can't be found by the Danish police.

Markus

Muslin Trojan horses . The wests naivete and kindness will be our end.

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2342827)

Are we not heading to wards this thread ?

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=215404

After have read Aktungbby latest post I start to wonder if we are heading to wards the thread about IS

Or is it me who is wrong.

Markus

Your not wrong at all; the threads are interwoven and interrelated. ISIS and the vacuum situation in Syria and Iraq have promulgated the Islamic Volksmarch into Europe. Half of the refugees are Syrian.

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2342969)

Well, it's all much of a muchness really. This thread is caused by that thread, and we don't have a solution for either.

:agree::sign_yeah:http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/09/08/438539779/the-migrant-crisis-by-the-numbers

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980 (Post 2343240)

Muslin Trojan horses . The wests naivete and kindness will be our end.

Precisely! It's the worst case scenario; rule 1 of security: if you can think of it...the bad guys already have! Essentially a made to order situation to place 'sleeper' radical jihadists' in the West. Taliban and ISIS militants are not noted for missing opportunity.

And I still ask you to try and replace "Muslim/Islamic" with "Jewish" in your grammar sometimes and see which side here sounds more like they're about to embark on a "Volksmarsch" here. Because to me that's pretty obvious, and the rhetoric is frighteningly the same, down to the metaphors and word choices.

A FB friend posted an Italian article-which I didn't undertand a word of.

Here told me the article are saying

The Balkans is the main route now. 1.5mio is/could be on the way.

Here's the article

http://www.ilgiornale.it/news/mondo/...i-1168360.html

Markus

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Originally Posted by CCIP (Post 2343263)

Not really the same as I don't recall reading about a ISIS style Jewish juggernaut trying to take over Europe but your point is taken.

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid (Post 2343277)

Not really the same as I don't recall reading about a ISIS style Jewish juggernaut trying to take over Europe but your point is taken.

Well, you're about 70-80 years overdue and didn't live in Germany at that time, but as Oberon posted you'll probably could read that vile crap by that Mr Ford.

Really? An armed and radical Jewish army beheading people, including other Jews, that caused waves of people fleeing to Europe that would also include a small but deadly amount of extremists? I do believe this is a different animal but the stripes are similar.

As much as some Europeans here like to immediately equate any anti-immigration speak to nazism. You best get to work in your own union pretty dang quick and not worry so much about semantics or America becoming the 4th empire.

The E.U. better find solution really dang quick becuase there is a dramatic increase in anti-immigration parties rising up in Germany, the U.K., Sweden, Finland, Hungary and Austria. Because as Orban said you dont have 150,000 migrants arriving in Europe... you dont have 500,000 entering Europe. There are tens of millions, an endless supply of them from Syria alone. And they seem to be just walking right in and making themselves at home. Thats going to spell big trouble for years to come if you dont get a handle on this.

So dont worry about us Americans, what scares us is that we know how some over there are so easily mesmerized by unknown paper hangers. All thats needed to set Europe ablaze again is a scapegoat, such millions of illegal immigrants flooding borders unabated.

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Originally Posted by Aktungbby (Post 2343254)

Your not wrong at all; the threads are interwoven and interrelated. ISIS and the vacuum situation in Syria and Iraq have promulgated the Islamic Volksmarch into Europe. Half of the refugees are Syrian. Precisely! It's the worst case scenario; rule 1 of security: if you can think of it...the bad guys already have! Essentially a made to order situation to place 'sleeper' radical jihadists' in the West. Taliban and ISIS militants are not noted for missing opportunity.

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Originally Posted by CCIP (Post 2343263)

And I still ask you to try and replace "Muslim/Islamic" with "Jewish" in your grammar sometimes and see which side here sounds more like they're about to embark on a "Volksmarsch" here. Because to me that's pretty obvious, and the rhetoric is frighteningly the same, down to the metaphors and word choices.

I wasn't being insulting; just stating the case in reverse from the Germanic Volksmarch migrations centuries ago...now predominantly Islamic through the Balkans and Italy with thousands waiting on Lesbos....

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2343268)

Aye, never thought I'd see the US turn into the Fourth Reich... :doh:

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid (Post 2343277)

Not really the same as I don't recall reading about a ISIS style Jewish juggernaut trying to take over Europe but your point is taken.

Upon re-consideration, I think I'll stick with my point, as expressed here, in light of last April 16, which left me pretty unnerved. All refugees are clearly NOT equal enroute to the promised land... and the Sub-Saharan Muslims cannot be the only ones harboring hardwired Koranic anti-infidel feelings now massing on Europe.:nope: "...15 Muslim asylum-seekers reportedly threw 12 Christian asylum-seekers overboard as they made their way from Libya to Sicily this week. “We only pray to Allah here,” the men said, according to others on the boat who said they clung together to protect the remaining Christians from being victims of religiously motivated murder at sea". http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/11542320/Italy-accused-of-bringing-in-Islamist-terrorists-after-Christians-thrown-into-sea.html Like a miracle of transformation of old theocratic baggage will occur when their feet trod Europe's 'enlightened soil!!!??...I think not!

That's actually a brilliant example of precisely the same type of propaganda techniques that I alluded to. I'm again wondering how this parallel is not apparent.

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2343321)

Believe me, it's one of my biggest frustrations with the modern world. Thank God for the medication, that's all I can say. :yep:

Tell me about it :dead:

Seriously, I want to know what the objective difference is between posting that and posting this, especially if you replace "Jew" with "Muslim" and "Rabbi" with "Imam" etc. Goebbels would be proud.

http://i.imgur.com/IcPi9Rh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/X3nND9Z.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/YEY4UcP.jpg

Sure creeps me out.

https://twitter.com/thomas_wiegold/s...79549026160640
"Russian troops join combat in Syria - sources - Reuters"

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Originally Posted by Torplexed (Post 2341323)

There is a movement to shame the rich Gulf States into accepting some of these refugees. Here you have the crowded nations of Europe with a Christian or secular history taking in millions of Muslims while their rich Muslim neighbors look away. So much for brotherly Islamic values.

Saudi Arabia is a huge, empty country, much of it desert, certainly, but it supports 27 million people with a per capita GDP of more than $31,000. The United Arab Emirates is smaller, but it is also awash in oil wealth and could take a significant number. And the overflow of Syrian refugees that aren’t resettled in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait or the UAE could be settled, with Gulf money, in other huge, empty Arab countries, like Algeria and Sudan. The 22 member states of the Arab League cover 5 million square miles. Surely, somewhere in there they can find space for displaced Syrians. But, I think they are only too glad to see them moving on.

I suspect as with the decades-old Palestinian refugee problem, Saudi Arabia and the rest will talk the talk, but balk at the walk. The only exception being poor, over-burdened Jordan.

Exactly.

Welcome back Fish.:salute:

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Originally Posted by Dan D (Post 2343516)

https://twitter.com/thomas_wiegold/s...79549026160640
"Russian troops join combat in Syria - sources - Reuters"

We can only hope. That would be the best that could happen for everyone, well except DAESH that is.

Well, like I keep mentioning, there are other forces at play in Mideast politics that I think West often fails to appreciate properly. Some of them are purely political, in some cases nationalist or even tribal. While the West complains about religion, the Gulf states, paradoxically, are probably more concerned about letting in large numbers of Arabs raised under Baathist regimes and who, whether they supported the regimes or not, likely have socialist leanings. After having seen the Arab Spring (and arguably having dodged a bullet from it), the Arab states are all too conscious of the consequences.

Imagine being a Syrian refugee trying to save your family, with the press in the West complaining how you're far too much of a traditional Islamist to be tolerated without risk, while Arab states look at you and say you're not traditional enough and are far too socialist to not be a danger to their social order. Nice life, isn't it?