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mapuc 03-13-14 06:29 PM

I have read many different theories about this airliner. This one is from the Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet


"the possibility that a pilot or anyone else on board turned off the plane's transponder, to completely unnoticed able to bring the plane to a secret location and to use the plane at a later date, according to The Wall Street Journal .."

I don't know if some one else have mention this if so Then delete my post.

Markus

krashkart 03-13-14 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2185603)
I have read many different theories about this airliner. This one is from the Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet


"the possibility that a pilot or anyone else on board turned off the plane's transponder, to completely unnoticed able to bring the plane to a secret location and to use the plane at a later date, according to The Wall Street Journal .."

I don't know if some one else have mention this if so Then delete my post.

Markus

Maybe a bit far fetched at this point, but not outside the realm of possibility.

Madox58 03-13-14 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Nippelspanner (Post 2185352)






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Seven Hells, what do I care, just screw you guys! :nope:

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Admiral Halsey 03-13-14 07:32 PM

Anyone ever see the movie Thunderball? Could the jet have ditched softly enough to just sink and not let any debris float to the surface?

Tchocky 03-13-14 07:54 PM

Lots of emergency equipment is water-activated, something would be left on the surface.


Regarding the engine monitoring satellite systems, there's still an awful lot of confusion about what happened there. The SATCOM pinger seems to have interrogated the satellite shortly after loss of radio communcations. If confirmed, all that tells us is that the aircraft was still in flight, it says nothing about location.

Picking up on a pprune thread - we don't know where it is, but the SATCOM pings (if true) give us a slightly better idea where it's not.

Oberon 03-13-14 08:24 PM

I thought about a soft landing at first, but then any soft and controlled landing would have given the passengers and crew a chance to get the life-rafts out, and chances are the electronics would be working until it hit the water. In the 777 it's all fly-by-wire so whilst there are no mechanical back-ups there are electronic back-ups, however the fact that all communications were lost within a split second indicates a complete electrical failure within the aircraft of some sort in which case the pilots would have had very little to no control over the aircraft, thus making a smooth and soft landing very unlikely.
The lack of debris is somewhat unusual however, and the somewhat haphazard communications from the Malaysian transport ministry is not exactly helping matters, one can only hope that their search efforts are organised in a better manner. :hmmm:

GoldenRivet 03-13-14 10:46 PM

In the pilot's lounge today we had a very disturbing scenario come up:

purely hypothetical of course and sounds like something out of a Tom Clancy novel, but troubling

an individual, possibly one of the crew, is paid off Millions of Dollars by a terror organization to steal the aircraft and redirect it to an airport large enough to support the aircraft, yet small enough to be closed during the late hour. The aircraft should be stolen in such a way which would create mystery, and focus world attention on searching for the crashed airliner hundreds of miles from it's actual position.

The ircraft is landed at said airfield where an individual on the terror cell payroll has likely held a job as an aircraft fueler for a number of months, possibly longer.

The aircraft is refueled, and flown with it's passengers aboard to Somalia.

The passengers are dispersed to Somalian terror groups and/or pirates to be held under strict secrecy

The aircraft is moved at low altitude through remote areas of Eastern Africa making its way to a remote airstrip, possibly in Egypt.

From here, the aircraft is deployed in an attack against the Israelis during the upcoming passover holiday

In the hours following the attack, a group claims responsibility for the attack, it comes to light that the passengers aboard the airliner were offloaded in Somalia where they are alive and being held for large ransoms.

The Israelis reeling from the attack are poised on a razor's edge... surrounded by enemies, the slightest aggressive move kicks off a war which could potentially topple the state of Israel, destabilize the entire region, and result in the death of millions.

Admiral Halsey 03-13-14 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet (Post 2185664)
In the pilot's lounge today we had a very disturbing scenario come up:

purely hypothetical of course and sounds like something out of a Tom Clancy novel, but troubling

an individual, possibly one of the crew, is paid off Millions of Dollars by a terror organization to steal the aircraft and redirect it to an airport large enough to support the aircraft, yet small enough to be closed during the late hour. The aircraft should be stolen in such a way which would create mystery, and focus world attention on searching for the crashed airliner hundreds of miles from it's actual position.

The ircraft is landed at said airfield where an individual on the terror cell payroll has likely held a job as an aircraft fueler for a number of months, possibly longer.

The aircraft is refueled, and flown with it's passengers aboard to Somalia.

The passengers are dispersed to Somalian terror groups and/or pirates to be held under strict secrecy

The aircraft is moved at low altitude through remote areas of Eastern Africa making its way to a remote airstrip, possibly in Egypt.

From here, the aircraft is deployed in an attack against the Israelis during the upcoming passover holiday

In the hours following the attack, a group claims responsibility for the attack, it comes to light that the passengers aboard the airliner were offloaded in Somalia where they are alive and being held for large ransoms.

The Israelis reeling from the attack are poised on a razor's edge... surrounded by enemies, the slightest aggressive move kicks off a war which could potentially topple the state of Israel, destabilize the entire region, and result in the death of millions.

That's not only scary but somewhat plausible. Also with the news coming from Boeing that the jets automated maintenance whatevertheycallit thing sent an update after the jet was lost on radar something like that being true is increasing.

CCIP 03-14-14 12:31 AM

Actually that's not very plausible at all, except as a Tom Clancy novel perhaps. Like I said, anyone with the resources to pull that off would be perfectly capable of buying or leasing a 777 or similar aircraft. Anyone with the skills and smarts to manage something this elaborate would be smart enough to not try it. If they just wanted a plane, there are large aircraft throughout Africa in states with hardly any effective security - Afriquiah Airways, for example, in near-lawless Libya run by militias has A330s and an A340 sitting around - that's the same state that recently had an anti-government militia smuggle out a tanker full of oil from a major port and sell it on the international market as the navy watched helplessly. Even in Somalia, there are aircraft that Al-Shabab has control of and could reach Israel if they needed to - probably with less chance of detection than a 777, at that.
And the trail from something like this would be too obvious in any case, which is why those with resources and beefs against Israel like that (e.g. Iran) haven't simply taken an airliner and flown it there. It's just a very convoluted and expensive plot for a very dubious result.

Admiral Halsey 03-14-14 12:38 AM

Ok fair point. What if the jet was taken over and flown to an airport big enough to handle it but remote enough that no one would notice it there?

CCIP 03-14-14 12:49 AM

Well, assuming for a moment that there were a conspiracy and cover-up, my money in fact would not be on some sort of international terrorism, but on China. China have the resources to do this, and they haven't been very open about the investigations of the recent Uighur terrorist attacks that have been happening there, with some people openly questioning whether those attacks might've been government set-up provocations to blame the Uighurs and divert nationalist anger at them (and away from the Communist Party and other problems). The Party is afraid of growing nationalism that it can't control. China also has good reasons to show off its authority in the South China Sea and put pressure on the states there with whom it has territorial beefs (including Malaysia), and that's what it's been doing last few days. China has those sorts of airports and those sorts of resources.
But I don't think China would risk going beyond that, and even if they were to set up that kind of plot, that plane would be gone for good with all evidence erased. They wouldn't try to use it in any other way.

That said, I also think that's pretty far-fetched. It's a very high cost and a very high risk for what would be merely a propaganda victory.

TorpX 03-14-14 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Admiral Halsey (Post 2185679)
Ok fair point. What if the jet was taken over and flown to an airport big enough to handle it but remote enough that no one would notice it there?

Wouldn't the passengers have been calling people while this was going on?





TarJak 03-14-14 02:07 AM

Malaysia Airlines 'facing $500m damages claim' over missing flight http://ab.co/1nXQsk2

This lawyer sounds like a shark circling a wounded fish. :nope:

Jimbuna 03-14-14 05:35 AM

Strange behaviour for a lawyer :hmmm:

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TarJak 03-14-14 05:58 AM

Some of his comments are just plain disturbing. You can hear the tapping on his calculator working out his fat fees


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