These guys are after more than some Shiite women ... the ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and Syria) just stole $425,000,000 in cash after they ran the Iraq army off:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/06/12/isis-just-stole-425-million-and-became-the-worlds-richest-terrorist-group/

To Skybird and Tribesman thank you for your explanation about Petrodollar

Have been reading some of the posting in this thread and when I saw the word "petrodollar"

This popped up in my mind

(from wiki)
"Some assert that the Iraq war which began on March 19, 2003, was a result of Iraq's abandonment of the petrodollar system in 2002, in favor of a "PetroEuro" "

That's why I asked my question

Markus

One step closer to Armageddon.:dead:

What do you know...
You may have them , they just might immigrate to Germany lol.

PA as autonomy(which it is right know) with some adjustments is the best solution for now.



I can somewhat agree with that....getting ME to civilize it self would help Palestinian cause a lot.
I would love to have Dutch as neighbors lol.

Nah, they've still got a bit further to go to get to Meggido, wrong country for a start.

Well, it looks like Iraq is going to hell big time. Those radical insurgents will soon be in Baghdad... We have failed again, leaving a possible big mess....over 4000 dead soldiers...for what?

So Dubya could hang his "Mission Accomplished" banner and act like he actually did something.:88)

After what happened last year in Syria, I don't expect to see Obama painting any red lines in the sand. :O:

It's a frustrating spot to be in, regardless of blame. There is absolutely no course of action of which I can conceive that will not engender tremendous political backlash from some corner in the short term and probably in the long term as well.

Do nothing? Hah. What a rudderless, impotent foreign policy you have.
Do something? Hah. What an arrogant imperialist meddler you are.
Do something military? Oh My Gaawwd! Throwing away lives to prop up a failed state!

I am interested in the validity of the propogation of this myth, I am unaware of it being held much by anyone with even only the most basic knowledge.
However I am aware it exists in certain quarters. It would be by the sort of person who would claim that Iran is a Sunni country, or the sort of person who claimed that there is only one sort of muslim and that they are all from a 19th century offshoot.

I wonder if Skybird can provide confirmation of some people saying such things, or if it would be necessary to simply quote him saying it all himself:hmmm:

I do like your links. So President Bush should be made dictator for life, Iraq should be emptied of its population and resettled by Americans, America
should engineer a war to take over the middle east and its oil:har:
Interesting on the one state solution though. Several options available there
Option one. Expel all the unwanted population and take all the land.
Option two. Keep all the unwanted population and take all the land but deny that population any rights.
Option three. Keep all the unwanted population and take all the land but lose power through becoming a minority.

All three options will undoubtably lead to the one state disappearing...yet Skybird is in favour of it, why does he hate Israel so much? I thought he only hated the Muslims?
There is of course option four. Genocide.
Now who in their right mind would be in favour of genocide?:hmmm:
I am sure I can find a quote from someone who is in favour of genocide, I wonder if it would be that Skybird fellow again providing the material?

Except that he didn't actually hang that banner, or have it hung, and in any case for the next 5 years of his presidency afterwards he didn't stop doing what he could to improve the situation. He didn't cut and run from it like the present president seems wont to do.

Dread Knot nails it though. No choice is without criticism and none are easy to dismiss because each one involves a real cost in blood for somebody both immediately and down the road.

Only in the golf sand trap.

Errrrrr..... He created the situation, he made the mess.
You supported creating the situation, you still repeat the same old lies on which the situation was created.
There is no merit in a failed attempt at improving a situation that you needlessly created in the first place.
Avoiding the situation or ensuring that you didn't make a complete mess of it in the first place would be worthy of merit, but those achievements are entirely absent from the Bush Presidency

Cut and run?
Its a strange sort of patriot that would have wanted their president to accept the SOFA dictated by Tehran which was offered to the US.
Why do you hate America August?

ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and Syria)?

Aren't these same group of terrorist fighting in Syria alongside other loose groups ... the same ones we are sending men to train and small arms to in Jordan?

The same group that Senator McCain supports backing?

The same group that Syria is fighting backed by Russia and Iran?

If the USA won't help out ... maybe Iraq's old enemy Iran will fill the void?

No. it is a three way split with each fighting the other two

No. That would be one of the three

Yes.

They already are.
The Iranian based SCIRII with the Al-Badr became the dominant power in Iraq, and as Skybird mentioned, Al Sadr is back in the game following his re-education in Iran.

ISIS or the group it came from basically rose back from the ashes due to we removed out intelligent forces.

Just think when they take over our billion dollar embassy. Hell, it's a fortress, you think we would defend it...instead of leave.

I always believed Iraq to be a blunder, it takes a dictator like Saddam to keep a nation like Iraq under control, but leaving as we did will be a bigger blunder than the war itself.....