Originally Posted by Hottentot (Post 1710988)

My, are we sensitive today, dearie. Didn't even say "Hello Hottentot". Tsk, tsk.



What happened to your "45 years of study"?

I'm a history major. I'm not a genius, nor an angel, but being academic in this subject is not something I need to pretend.

Did you hear the whistling? That was the point flying way over your head. So I'll put this in simple terms: you are not getting laughed at for what you believe in. You are getting laughed at for playing a martyr and not answering the arguments made against your case.

Originally Posted by ZeeWolf (Post 1710998)

Oh, I see, you want the entire world see you as you think you are. As the
"All knowing, all caring Holy one's of Israel " totally above even a hint of sin. Right!
Please remember, it was God All Mighty that utterly destroyed the temple
in 70 AD and used the Romans as an interment of HIS wrath. And do not
forget, God left that wailing wall for a reason.


ZeeWolf

Originally Posted by ZeeWolf (Post 1711025)

OK Hello Hottentot!

Originally Posted by joegrundman (Post 1711004)

woops, too late!

Originally Posted by ZeeWolf (Post 1711037)

I am doing my best to lean joegrundman, I just feel ganged up on.

ZeeWolf

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai (Post 1711012)

Well for one thing I am very wary as to the veracity of anything coming from the IHR, and claims made by Fred
Leuchter. He has already been proven to be a liar and a fraud in court. So his claims of persecution are also suspect. I have no doubt that he has not always been treated in the nicest fashion by people. But then he is associated with a known publisher of hate material (which that comes from also), and from all external evidence appears to be racist/antisemitic himself. So there will be people who will take a strong dislike to him. He is also certainly strongly motivated to lie about being persecuted, as it garners him attention and sympathy and helps spread his message.

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/l/...uchter-05.html
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/l/...hter-0195.html

About the IHR
http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/ihr/ihr-faq-01.html


One thing I will point out, that you may have noticed, is that Nizkor publishes everything, including the holocaust denial material. You cannot say the same for any of the denial sites. This is the difference between honest discussion and debate, and what most holocaust deniers do, which is spread their own agenda (which unsurprisingly is hate related).

Like I said, I have no problem with open honest debate. I also prefer to refute claims rather than simply try to stifle them. Hence why I left the utter garbage posted by 'the_truth', rather than censoring it. I do however have little tolerance for blatant hate speech.

I am not trying to cow you or anything either, and I am only master of myself. I present rational arguments to your points when I disagree.



People do all the time though, on matters that they take on faith. All religions and organizations have their martyrs. People also do similar for political views (look at all the ardent nazi's, or the SS, many of whom fought to the death for their views). People are capable of an infinite level of self delusion in the end, and can latch on to anything no matter how absurd it appears to others.

I am not saying, though, that Jesus is or is not a lie, as I try not to stray too far into maters of religion. At least as long as said religion does not try to impose itself on me, or try to take away my own rights.

P.S. want to talk about persecution, take a look at the level of persecution many atheists put up with, even in this day and age. :03:

Originally Posted by ZeeWolf (Post 1711046)

the anointed class

Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 1711026)

Neon, I do wish I was articulate enough and calm enought to take the time to put down holocaust deniers and loonies in the same detailed manner as you manage.
But I ain't , so Zeewolf you thick nazi, you are about as christian as bhuddas left toe nail clipping and are as about as intelligent as that famous liar David Irving

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1711040)

Well, look at the thread. It started as a post about Hess, was developing into a discussion of why he got worse treatment than other Nazis, and then an old troll turned it into a "Nazis were really the good guys" tangent, and then you joined in supporting his claims. When people disagreed you posted a link to a video of a man most of us consider a crackpot, and you keep insisting that he has the only truth. What exactly do you expect? Reasonable discussion? You haven't given any, why should you get any?

Originally Posted by MH (Post 1711029)

Almost like a quote from mein kamf and no "final solution" used.
Do You make Hitler look as good christian and the hand of god?