Pff, your cheap canadian ham doesn't hold a candle to true bacon :O:

Ham? :doh::hmmm: You must be confused. Bacon isn't ham.. Smoke ham is ham.. Smoke bacon is bacon..

Below is BACON.
http://www.nodinesmokehouse.com/imag...onsampler3.jpg


Below is HAM.

http://www.cretafarms.com/retail/pro...images/ham.jpg


Not the same.. dude. But I like both anyhow..:O::03:

But this is Canadian "bacon":

http://www.wisconsinmade.com/assets/...n-bacon-XL.jpg

Is it bacon? It doesn't look like bacon. It looks like ham. And yet they insist on calling it "bacon."

Clearly, Canadians cannot be trusted. :O:

Never trust a Canuck who takes the bacon.:O:

Its ham until you throw it in the frying pan and heat it up for a bit, then it becomes bacon. :yep: :D

I can't be bothered to read 12 bacon-related pages, so if this has already been raised re the original post please forgive.

The British are afraid of muslims, eh? Does the original poster believe everything they read in the papers, or only that which fits with their insular world view? Another poster explained about the reliability of the Daily Mail.

A friend of mine works for the local authority involved (Stockport Council). The facts:

1. The planning permission is retrospective, in that the vent was placed without permission, and it is now being sought after a complaint by:
2. A non-muslim neighbour.
3. No decision about the incident has yet been made by the council.
4. Interestingly, the cafe owner IS a muslim, unlike the complainant. Don't see that little detail in the Daily Mail article, do we? Perhaps it does not fit in with their insular world view?

Muslims owning cafes ?! Now Im offended :har:

Its so unusual for the Mail to leave out facts like that ;)

Can't be bothered? Sounds arrogant. "Don't have time", "more important things to do" are hardly better.

Sorry, can't be bothered.

Not getting enough bacon products today Steve? :03:


Anyhow I am vegetarian too, was actually raised as one. Though I did go through an experimental period (mainly when I studied to be a French Chef, and a few times earlier), I pretty much reverted back after a few years as it was simpler for me and saves me the moral/ethical headaches (I have huge ethical issues with current farming & fishing practices, particularly the factory farms).

So as for starting a vegetarian thread with recipes, I am game. I can supply a ton of non-substitute recipes (I HATE veg recipes which scratch out the word meat and write in tofu instead). In fact I think Ill get it started after this post.


Unless that guy was really screwing up (which is possible), your problem was likely psychosomatic (in your head). Veg food has a ton of energy (carbs, fats, & sugars) unless it's like all leafy greens. Protein actually is one of the hardest things for the body to process and excessive quantities (aside from nitrogen poisoning) will make you feel exhausted (common problem with body builders who don't understand nutrition and take way to much protein). The best energy sources are the sugars family (including carbs) and fats, both offer high amounts of energy, and are cleanly metabolized.

As for the gas, ya that's a problem, especially with high fiber diets.

I'm almost as non-vegetarian as Tony Bourdain. That said, I could almost imagine being a vegetarian in India. There were periods in Nepal where I was effectively vegetarian, and I absolutely craved meat. Even a fried egg was like having a steak after a while.

Still, having good vegie recipes would be really useful since I do have vegetarian friends, and I'd like to have "foodie" stuff on the table for them, too.

Funny story. Knew a vegetarian guy (from NYC) who loved asian food. We went out to a vietnamese place, and he got tyhe vegetarian spring rolls. The spring rolls indeed had no meat in them. He's dipping the things in nam pla, lol.

I didn't say anything. He'd been eating such food for years, and it had never occurred to him that the thin "sweet/sour" sauce he always got was fish juice.

A friend who is a more careful vegetarian said it's hard because many thai and vietnamese places call it vegetarian if there is no chunks of meat (or seafood) in the dish, but since fish sauce is their salt... it never occurs to them not to put THAT in. There's really no such thing as thai food without it...

Ha i lieved with a guy who was a fishetarian. Fine that was his decision but myself I like everything. Now we had to live together as we both worked for the same school in Moscow and when ever I cooked bacon he had to make snooty comments about how it smelled...as if his fish that he did sometimes didn't smell.

That's what bugs me about some vegetarians..most i have know are cool and don't mind if I cooked meat but I have known a few who were real nazis.

not getting at you neon, but I can understand where jumpy was coming from.

Oh no worries mate :) I just wanted to address a common misconception that vegetarians have energy problems (the weak pasty tree-hugger image). As for that guy, well I can understand his desire to keep the stuff out of his home. Some vegetarians find the stuff very offensive (to the point of making them feel physically ill).

I have to admit I generally do not care for the smell of cooking meat, and I really dislike the smell of fish (that rotting mucous smell). But then I have also had some really bad experiences in the restaurant industry.

I've also known plenty of non vegetarian who are equally nazi-esque in their attitudes and behaviour. Your diet is not what makes you an ass****. ;)


If you do not want to have any contact with meat products, you almost have to avoid eating out. It is very difficult to avoid in most kinds of restaurants. They may coat pans with lard, or use meat stocks, or the pile of other ways you can have it present. Good Chinese restaurants are a bit better as they do have a long history of vegetarian cooking with some of the Buddhist sects. Some of the Thai stuff doesn't have fish sauce though, but ya you gotta watch it.

This isn't bacon... Its something... not bacon...

neon the thing about this guy is that it wasn't his flat it wa a company one.

I remember back in teh day that the vegetarian option on British menus was some variant of a nut roast.


There are a lot of veggy things I like.

I read somewhere, that GB has the highest percentage of vegetarians from all western countries. Regarding the choice of british supermarkets and restaurants, I tend to believe so. :up:
However peas with mint are not a vegetarian dish, they are a crime against humanity!