Originally Posted by BIGREG (Post 1440370)

UBI mottos

http://img.over-blog.com/630x470-000...s/shadok03.jpg

If there is no solution, there is no problem.

No arms,no chocolate !
No GR2 editor , no modders !

Originally Posted by BIGREG (Post 1440399)

What productive ?

Sorry, but without GR2 editor, you can not change anything more! No aditional submarines, no possibility of correcting the interior ( textures, 3D elements etc. ..) without the editor personally, I stop modding :nope:

it's been over two months that I break my head, just to try to deliver good labels (those upside down and those has placed anyway) and " lost " needles etc etc etc etc .... :damn:

and again sorry, but without tools, I could not see how you be productive ?

Originally Posted by privateer (Post 1440246)

I understood from the get go.
:)
My post was meant as a pointer to those who could not grasp the obvious.

You just helped make it funner.
:haha:

And God knows we all need to lighten up and get busy!
Sure Modders can fix 'somethings'.
And Yes, there is 'advise' from some of the Devs.
But they are under contract and can only tell us so much.
They risk thier jobs if they say or advise to much.
That I understand also.
And accept.
I'm sitting here now looking at all sorts of things in SH3, SH4, and SH5.
It's my hobby and I know a great deal about my hobby.
I can do things with the SH series that can not be released because they
cross the line.
"We do not Hack the Game and release".
I have asked about a 'Ubi Approved' Mod Team that may be allowed
some freedom to operate under Ubi License to create GR2 files.
I got no answer to this day.
The GR2 files are key in many areas!
SH5 will die a slow and painful death if the Modders are denied access!
The patch that allows importing Units from other versions is flawed!
It's a half done job that misses many important points.
The bottom line is.
Crappy Imports?
No reason to even waste my time any longer.

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen (Post 1440408)

We all know what the state of the game is. I suppose what I was getting at was that I was hoping we could be beyond the whole kicking-screaming-lying on the floor face down-crying-pounding fists-throwing a temper tantrum thing by now and try to pull together to make SH5 into something. It is what we did with SH3 and SH4.

Originally Posted by Webster (Post 1440174)

yes, please do not blame the messenger for our frustrations over sh5's condition.

it is my opinion that Sorlim is in a no win possition in trying to do his job at ubi forums where his task is to "collect data" and that is all he can do, so please dont give him a hard time for having no answers to your questions.

IMO from reading the posts of the other ubi forum personnel is either none of them have any desire to get answers to your questions or they really dont have any way of getting answers to your questions because ubi isnt willing to give them any answers.

all Sorlim can do is report complaints and give details about things to ubi, whatever is done with this info is not up to him.

he seams like a nice enough guy that has an impossible job to do.

ubi threw in a new guy because the others were (to be polite) "less then genuine" and no one was buying there BS about "we'll get back to you on that" so there really isnt any point in giving him a hard time for things that happened before and are out of his control. time will tell if its a smoke screen or if they are really trying to be responsive to their customers.

IMO this data collection and customer feedback "may" result in some form of further support for sh5 so we should try to be hopeful in thinking that "maybe" it is possible that another patch "might" come from it.

Originally Posted by Webster (Post 1440174)

yes, please do not blame the messenger for our frustrations over sh5's condition.

Originally Posted by janh (Post 1440507)

How to proceed? I have one suggestion, but it would require some cooperation from Takeda and the other moderators to ensure some sort of discipline:

- Add a specific thread in which only productive and cooperative comments, complaints, problem description or solution ideas for Sorlim go. Nothing else, no unbased complaints, nothing that may not lead short or long term to improvement of SHV, and nothing that is not directly or at least evidently indirectly related to patching SHV. This thread could even be sticked. But some set of rules needs to be established and enforced to make sure Sorlim gets the crucial information right away. If the poor guy has to dig through four months of posts here, he will need all his time to find the problems, and have none to work out the solutions. We can probably add a lot to the latter if we support the prior and give him the info he needs. If Ubi is honest about a new start for SHV, we ought to play fair and give him/them this chance. Everyone earns a last chance, as long as the index doesn't exceed no 3. ;-)

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen (Post 1440563)

Okay. If we can get enough agreement, I'm game.