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Isn't it strange not one arab country will welcome Gazans with open arms.

Why does Israel not take all the Palestinian refugees?

I understand the Arab countries not wanting to take the Palestinians. This is just moving the problem. You will have a new crisis in other countries.

Palestinians have the right to stay in Gaza.
For me personally the two state solution is the only option that will really fix things.
And remove all extremists in that area. (Hamas, Far right Zionists) Those extremists are guilty for this entire war.

I hope one day, Palestinians and Israeli people can live in peace as good friends. Some of them actually get along. Its just the damn politics that ruin everything...

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Originally Posted by Raf1394 (Post 2944162)

Why does Israel not take all the Palestinian refugees?

That is essentially a question as old as time itself. The Arab / Palestinian issue is basically a Family Feud. This is from the Bible. The Arabs and Israeli's are half Brothers. Their descendants are consigned to fight over what they perceive as Holy lands and those promised to Abraham's descendants ( the Israeli's ) by God. These Issues will always be a point of contention between Israel and the Arab / Palestinian people and Countries. The Palestinians deserve to live in peace as well. However, a lot of their population have been taken over by extremist elements, like Hamas and have just sowed unrest and hatred.

https://www.cardozoacademy.org/thoug...ctive-ttp-399/

I went to College with some kids that were Israeli and from Arab Countries and they got along just fine. Maybe environment plays a factor too.

Egypt developing Gaza reconstruction plan to counter Trump’s ‘take over’ :yeah:

The Egyptian government is developing a plan to rebuild Gaza without displacing the Palestinian enclave’s population, as it attempts to provide a viable alternative to United States President Donald Trump’s controversial proposal to “take over” the territory and displace its population.

The newspaper added that Egypt expects to finalise the plan “by next week”, while its first phase should begin “after the emergency Arab summit in Cairo”, currently scheduled for February 27.

Before that, Saudi Arabia will host officials from Egypt, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates and Jordan on Thursday, as part of a five-way Arab meeting in the capital Riyadh to discuss Cairo’s proposed reconstruction.

Trump has pressured both Egypt and Jordan to take in Gaza’s residents as part of the plan, in a proposal robustly rejected by both countries and decried as “ethnic cleansing” by rights groups.

Mobile houses and shelters will be erected in the safe zones, while humanitarian aid will be allowed to stream in. The reconstruction effort will also provide tens of thousands of jobs to Gaza’s population, according to the anonymous Egyptian officials.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/...umps-take-over

Hamas says it will return bodies of four hostages including Bibas family

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Hamas says it will hand over the bodies of four hostages on Thursday, including the two youngest people held by the Palestinian armed group.

The group's negotiator Khalil al-Hayya said the bodies to be released would include those of the Bibas family - Shiri and her young children Kfir and Ariel, who were aged nine months and four years when Hamas kidnapped them during the 7 October 2023 attack.

Hamas alleges that the three were killed in Israeli bombardment. Israel has not confirmed this.

The children's father Yarden was released by Hamas earlier this month.

Al-Hayya said Hamas would also release six living hostages on Saturday – double the number originally planned.

In exchange, Israel will free all women and those under the age of 19 arrested since last October and is allowing some rubble-clearing equipment into Gaza through the border with Egypt.

In a statement, al-Hayya said the group agreed "handing over four bodies of the occupation prisoners on Thursday 20 February, including the bodies of the Bibas family."

Hamas claimed in November 2023 they had been killed in an Israeli air strike, without providing evidence. The Israeli military has not confirmed the report. Israeli officials have said only that they are gravely concerned for their lives.

An Israeli official told Reuters that deceased hostages would undergo identification in Israel before being named.

In a statement, the Bibas family said it was aware of the Hamas statement.

"In the past few hours, we have been in turmoil following Hamas spokesperson's announcement about the planned return of our Shiri, Ariel, and Kfir this Thursday as part of the hostages' remains release phase," the statement said.

"We want to make it clear that while we are aware of these reports, we have not yet received any official confirmation regarding this matter.

"Until we receive definitive confirmation, our journey is not over.

Hamas has also named two of the six Israelis to be released on Saturday.

They are Avera Mengistu and Hisham al-Sayed, who were seized in 2014 and 2015 respectively after they crossed into Gaza on their own. The Israeli government has said both suffered from mental health issues at the time.

Under the first phase of the ceasefire agreement, Hamas agreed to release 33 hostages. In exchange, Israel agreed to release about 1,900 Palestinian prisoners.

Talks on progressing to the second phase of the deal - under which the remaining living hostages would be released and the war would end permanently - were due to start earlier this month but have not yet begun.

Israeli Foreign Minister Gideon Saar said the talks would begin "this week".

He said Israel would "not accept the continued presence of Hamas or any other terrorist organisation in Gaza" but that Israel could prolong the ceasefire if discussions were productive.

"If we will see there is a constructive dialogue with a possible horizon of getting to an agreement (then) we will make this time-frame work longer," Saar said.

A total of 73 hostages are currently being held in Gaza - a mixture of Israeli soldiers and civilians both dead and alive. This also includes Thai and Nepalese nationals.

Some 251 hostages were taken by Hamas when it attacked Israel on 7 October 2023, killing about 1,200 people.

Israel responded with a 15-month military offensive that killed 47,460 Palestinians, according to Gaza's Hamas-run health ministry, and devastated the coastal enclave.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czdnp4ly5d1o

Hamas offers to release all captives for end to Israel’s war on Gaza

Hamas says it seeks a lasting ceasefire and a full Israeli pullout, rejecting conditions for its removal from Gaza.

“We are ready for a second phase in which the prisoners will be exchanged in one go, within the criterion of reaching an agreement that leads to a permanent ceasefire and a complete withdrawal from the Strip,” Qassem said.

The group also rejected Israel’s call for its disarmament and removal from the Strip.

“The occupation’s condition of removing Hamas from the Gaza Strip is a ridiculous psychological war, and the withdrawal or disarmament of the resistance from Gaza is unacceptable,” Qassem added.

“The problem for Israel is that despite having the upper hand, it’s not able to defeat Hamas”. Israel has violated the agreement multiple times, with its leaders discussing the possibility of an imminent return to all-out fighting in Gaza and the far-right ministers in Netanyahu’s cabinet even pushing for a military occupation of the enclave.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/...ls-war-on-gaza

Hamas proposes exchanging all Israeli captives and Palestinian prisoners in “one go” during the second phase of the Gaza ceasefire deal and reach a permanent truce and a full Israeli pullout.
Despite the ceasefire, at least three Palestinians have been killed and 11 injured in Israeli attacks across Gaza in the past 24 hours, the Health Ministry says.
Gaza’s Health Ministry has confirmed 48,297 Palestinian deaths in Israel’s war on Gaza, while 111,733 people have been wounded. The Government Media Office updated its death toll to at least 61,709 people, saying thousands of Palestinians missing under the rubble are presumed dead.
At least 1,139 people were killed in Israel during the October 7, 2023, Hamas-led attacks and more than 200 taken captive.

US man shot two Israeli tourists thinking they were Palestinians :D

Two Israeli tourists in Miami were shot by a Jewish-American man who had reportedly told police he’d carried out the attack thinking they were Palestinians.

https://www.aljazeera.com/program/ne...e-palestinians

Absolutely hilarious :nope:

Israeli family mourns 'man of peace' as body returned from Gaza

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From her house in East London, British-Israeli Sharone Lifschitz never gave up hope that her 84-year-old father Oded would return from the horror of Hamas captivity, after more than 500 days.

He was a man of peace, a campaigner for, and a friend of, Palestinians.

He was dragged from his home by Palestinian gunmen on October 7th and killed in captivity after being taken to Gaza alive.

The return of his body on Thursday was devastating news for Ms Lifschitz and her family, particularly her mother Yocheved who was also a hostage but returned alive and now will not be able to reunite with her husband of 63 years.

After identifying Oded's body, the head of Israel's National Institute of Forensic Medicine said he was killed in captivity more than a year ago. The Israeli Prime Minister's Office said he "was murdered in captivity by the Islamic Jihad terrorist organization."

The BBC were with Sharone, a filmmaker and academic, at her home when the ceasefire was announced last month.

She shed tears of joy and hope as at last she saw an opportunity where she would discover what had happened to her father. After more than a year of him being held hostage, she didn't know if he was alive or dead.

Sharone Lifschitz admitted then that at his age the hopes for his survival were slim, but she also believed "miracles can happen."

Ms Lifschitz has been an eloquent and dignified voice for the release of her father and the other hostages, and shed light on the trauma the hostage families have faced since their ordeal began.

"One way or another, we will know. We will know if he's still with us, if we can look after him. We will know who we are grieving for… My father didn't deserve this.

But she recognised there were "more graves to come."

And now, one will be for her father.

Oded Li********z was a journalist and veteran campaigner for peace who drove sick Palestinians to hospitals in Israel for treatment. In his campaign for Palestinian rights he met Yasser Arafat, then head of the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO).

He helped to found Kibbutz Nir Oz, where he lived and was taken hostage from. It was a place where he was well-known for the cacti that he grew, the piano he played and the grandchildren he adored.

His wife Yocheved, who was freed as a hostage by Hamas in 2023, met then-Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar while held in the tunnels under Gaza - and told him he should be ashamed of himself.

The British lawyers supporting the family said "Yocheved must be the only person to have met Sinwar, Netanyahu and the Pope, and given them all a piece of her mind. That is the kind of extraordinary person she is."

On Wednesday, as she received a peace award for her campaigning for the hostages, she said: "Oded was a great fighter for peace. He had very good relations with Palestinians and the thing that hurts the most is they betrayed him."

His family said they could now mourn for a husband, father, grandfather and great grandfather, but after "503 agonising days of uncertainty", they had "hoped and prayed for a different outcome."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg5x4zp07ro

Is it any wonder no other arab country will give these savages shelter?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTx-SlXzkwo

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2944047)

Isn't it strange not one arab country will welcome Gazans with open arms.

Arabs do not like Palestinian Arabs, not since Black Friday and the attempt to overthrow Jordan at the latest. But also: why should they help to pull out this long, poisoned thorn in Israel's flank that causes the Israelis so much discomfort? They may make treaties with each other - but they do not love each other, and they have been bound by mutual hatred for thousands of years. Which is why I am convinced that all these treaties will sooner or later be nothing more than a waste of paper.

But that's just me being “defeatist” again. :O:

No surprises here then.

I can see Israel sending troops in to finish the job once and for all.

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Body returned from Gaza is not Shiri Bibas, Israeli military says

Israel has accused Hamas of violating the ceasefire deal after forensic testing revealed the body returned from Gaza on Thursday was not that of Shiri Bibas.

The three other bodies handed over have been identified as her sons, Ariel and Kfir, who would have been aged five and two, and peace activist Oded Lifschitz, 84, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said.

But the fourth body was not Shiri nor another hostage, with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu alleging that Hamas "put the body of a Gazan woman in a coffin".

A Hamas spokesman, Ismail al-Thwabta, said on X on Friday that Shiri's remains seem to have been mixed up with other bodies under the rubble of a structure after an Israeli air strike.

The group told Reuters news agency they would investigate what had led to the wrong remains being sent to Israel.

They also reiterated their previous statement which said the children and their mother were killed in an Israeli bombing.

However, Israel on Thursday said the boys "were brutally murdered by terrorists in captivity in November 2023", according to intelligence and forensics.

Israel demanded that Hamas return Shiri along with the other remaining hostages.

"Whether she is alive or not, they need to bring back Shiri Bibas," IDF international spokesperson Lt Col Nadav Shoshani told BBC Radio 4's Today Programme.

Netanyahu said "we will act with determination to bring Shiri home along with all our hostages - both living and dead - and ensure that Hamas pays the full price for this cruel and evil violation of the agreement".

The IDF posted on X that "during the identification process, it was determined that the additional body received is not that of Shiri Bibas, and no match was found for any other hostage. This is an anonymous, unidentified body."

"This is a violation of utmost severity by the Hamas terrorist organisation, which is obligated under the agreement to return four deceased hostages. We demand that Hamas return Shiri home along with all our hostages."

The Hostages and Missing Families Forum said it was "horrified and devastated by the news that their mother, Shiri, was not returned—despite the agreement and our desperate hopes".

Shiri, Ariel and Kfir Bibas were aged 32, four and nine months when they were kidnapped during the Hamas attacks on Israel on 7 October 2023. They have become a symbol for many in Israel and news of their deaths was met with an outpouring of grief.

The children's father Yarden Bibas, 34, was released by Hamas on 1 February.

Israel has confirmed that the fourth body returned on Thursday was that of veteran peace activist, Oded Lifschitz.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjry3jzedl1o