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yup now i know they're posting a warning on the game boxes i can check before buying in future--

the next issue is wether or not the drive manufacturers will continue to replace hard drives under warranty if the user has previuosly installed a game containing this "technology"

after all from this moment on it is no longer the hard drive manufacturers responsibility if their product is damaged by external end user use off potentaily damaging software---

so why should they continue replacing hard drives under warranty if it is demonstrately not their fault that the driive has developed faults or died altogether?

and if the hard drive manufactures view this as a voiding of any garantue they may have provided for their hard ware -then will the game manufacturers or Starforce them selves be responsible for compensating repairing or replacing drives thus damaged? they have shown little interest in doing this so far--

i give it three months before the whole thing goes tits up

Hi CB,

Did you read one of my earlier posts where I said type in Google "Starforce problems" and you will see lots of forums/articles related to this, it seems there are a lot of games where the users are having problems as mentioned above.

I said a long time ago that if all these gripes about SF turn out to be true, expect a massive class action suit in the US.

You just cannot distribute harmful and damaging software to people who only want to play some games on their computer and then get away with any damages done because of a small print disclaimer that the software might be hazzardous to your PC's health.

Sick 'em, attorneys at law! :rock:

Yup Col the whole thing smacks of "middle management" guys getting out of their depth-- badly thought through, badly executed and utterly stupid--

as Avon Lady says-- now they have in fact admitted responsibility via the warning given on the latest game box- they haven't got a leg to stand on--

the fact that they HAVE issued the warning shows just how idiotic the whole concept was to begin with-- just what sort of world do they live in--did they seriously imagine that no one would complain?

mind bogglingly short sighted

Let's form our own J.A.G.! :D :D :D

Relating to this post..
Texas Sues SONYBMG!!!

http://apnews.myway.com//article/200...D8E14D480.html


Also if you click on the above link you will see the man that is HELPING US! OK I let the cat out of the bag...I have been bombarded with emails....
SO yes Mark has agreed to do some testing. He is the man that found out about what SONY was doing!!!!



He said he is going to purchase SHIII to find out what he can.

STAY TUNED!
As we all know not everyone seems affected. So my hope is that he is!

Also Aaron McKenna said he has not heard from Toms Hardware on future testing yet. I will keep all of you posted as normal.

If you want to get on my email list since I get so many emails
Shoot me your email in a pm ok?



SC

Anything new?

more and more games are now carry-ing the printed warning about drive incompatibility

Hi All hope you all had a Great Thanksgiving .... For those of you in other coutries hope you had a good (whatever you have) too! :up:

I wrote Mark yesterday. Have npt heard back but hey its a Holiday so....I will keep you all posted ASAP when I hear anything!

;)

Hello all...Some breaking info!!!!!




Wanted you to see this post this guy seems to know whats going on........and is the latest post that really sheds some light on things!
Be sure to check out his webpage too. I can't share what he told me in a personal email but I know this gentleman is on the up and up! PLEASE do READ THESE!!!!!


http://forums.ubi.com/groupee/forums...2871061083/p/5

Scroll down slowly to 13thhr !!!!

Also the forum moderator comments on SHIII forum BE SURE TO CHECK THIS OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee/forums...3/m/4001086693

I will keep you all updated as normal.

SC

OLD THREAD... if necessary, I recommend burning it and making a new one...

Dont burn it...There are stil people that come here and have no clue until they read these posts why their system is having problems. But sure I could post a new thread.

Hmm, good point... I stand corrected. :yep:

I thank you for this thread being brung up...I had installed Sh III on my system for about a week ..I did not care for it and have since sold it and did not realize until this thread there was a Starforce Removal Tool I found by googling it....Havent had a chance to burn any cds..havent had the need but Ill be peed if it dont work cause of something like this...but not surprised.

Again I thank you because I work in computer field and work on "Alot" of customers machines and see "All" kinds of crap and this is just one more to be aware of possible related problems....


sometimes I think we would have been better off with no technology....hum. :hmm:

One thing I teach customers is...Don't be shocked when out of the blue they fail and ya lose all info on ur computer.

I guarentee it will happen. :)

If it is made by us humans it will fail.

Agreed.

Disagreed. :D Technology can help or hurt, it depends on intent and realizing what it is and isn't capable of.

Well, for one... I could be out getting some excercise if I wasn't typing this message in response to another post.

Or I could be studying for school... Who knows?

But with technology, I am tempted to sit here and idle my life away.... :D

Hmmmm. I've become too dependent on the computer technology to go back. Especially with the art and rendering programs available now days. Used to be such a messy and somewhat toxic chore putting layouts together and creating illustrations. With a computer it's a lot quicker and cleaner and you can edit the art to your heart's content.

I do miss getting high on the rubber cement fumes tho....JUST KIDDING!!!!! :lol:

I have been reading up on this issue with StarForce with great interest ever since I first read about it. It is obvious to me that this kind of software is malware and has very little value to the consumer who has paid good money for the product. Consumers are forced not only to put up with the inconvenience but in fact, to PAY for the privilege! Now despite playing some of the games on the StarForce list of infected products I have NEVER encountered a problem with it. Why? Well that is simple, I don't put bought CD's into my computer, period. When I see a game I want to buy, I buy it, but before I head to the store I head over to my favorite BitTorrent site and I DOWNLOAD IT FIRST! That copy I buy never even leaves shrink wrap unless there is a CD key I need for online play. More than once I have wished that I could just buy the damn Key and let the company keep the media and the stupid box that just takes up space on my shelves, after all, with Valve software I don't even need my key! I just type in my email address and my password into Steam and my games download easily and cleanly. Now THAT is the way to do it!

The fact is that due to companies like StarForce, it is now more convenient and far less problematic to just pirate the game. How many times have you waited an hour in line at FilePlanet just to download some update needed for online play? How many times have you used the "in-game" update and gotten speeds of 1 or 2 kps or worse, dead links? Cracked patches download fast off of Bit torrent, there is no wait and speeds are fantastic! I have in a few minutes what would take me hours to receive by the "approved" channels and I don't have to worry about destroying my game media because A) it is a ISO image on my hard drive, and B) there is no cd required in the drive for play.

Basically what I am trying to say here is that StarForce has already lost the battle. Store bought games are already far more inconvenient to play than pirated games (Even went over to a LAN party with disk TWO of BF2 instead of disk one?) and technology like StarForces just make it that much more problematic. As long as pirating games is easier and safer in comparison to buying them, the game companies are bound to loose out.

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P.S. I never thought I would consider WAREZ safer than buying software, but while with warez you may get the odd virus or spyware programs, virus checkers and spyware scanners remove these quite handedly, while leaving malware like StarForce's product alone.

Your post sounds more and more of the emails and pm's I get. It's sad as I myself like owning the manual, box and cd. I guess they call people like me collectors. But now my collecting days are going to be much more selective.

Do I blame you for doing this? No. But I for one still want to get my game the old fashioned way without copy protection that interferes with my computer.