Besides when seconds count cops are minutes away (at best).

Well here in Florida, We will now be able to carry right on our legs open. Just like Gunsmoke ole Matt Dillon.Hell ya.Ya see we have gang problem's hell just the other day a 12 year old shot somebody in the face.Murder straight up. If you go to the 7-eleven after dark.You can become dead. And this happens all the time within Orlando fl. If you get lost and are on country roads. And if your a tourist you better have your will made out before you get here. If a child shoot's you in the head, They will not be prosecuted. So come to Disney World bring your family and your money.Only 4 out of 15 have a bad experience. And english is not the language you may expect to hear.We are multicultural and some of them get violent if you can't speak their language.What the hell take a chance come to America while you can. Hell by the end of this summer we may look into the night sky and see beautiful rolling colours that look from a distance like the mushrooms i just consumed, because there's no beef or chickens or fish and chips left. Goddamnit if only my parents were movie stars or politicians.Life would be so good, only the piss ants will have to boot up and march forward for Democracy and wokeism the new religion, And die. After all that's how all the ruling families have stayed in power. WAR that's how they have done it for Decades.

well anymore, average response times depend on where you live, it ranges from about 5 min (Nashville Tn.) to 20 min (Los Angeles Ca.).

Well, that in a sense is protecting and serving. ;)

Sure, you go right ahead and open carry, please, I love having you as the first target when a criminal decides to rob the IHOP we having breakfast in.

I find that attitude a bit counter-intuitive, I can't speak to other State's laws, but in Utah, open carry just means that you can carry a weapon in public (visible or concealed) without needing a permit. They still have a concealed carry permit system, but that is for the benefit of Reciprocity Laws for when Utah citizens travel to other states and wish to carry a weapon. So if I'm a bad guy robbing your Ihop, and see 1 or 2 pistols on some ones hip, I have to wonder how many are carrying pistols that I can't see. :03:

An interesting psychological approach.

A bad guy goes into a bar, where he look around and see at least two men with guns(open carry) he pull his gun from his belt and shot these two person first, then he looked around and see how people try to escape the crime scene. He start to fire his gun on people here and there, while they try to escape.

There are additional 3 more who carry gun openly-
Will they try to escape-Fear ?
Or
Would they take a stand and neutralize the perpetrator ?

Even though a person has the right to carry a gun openly in his or her state-Isn't the same as they wouldn't go into panic when someone starts to shoot wildly.

This is what some forget-the Psychological aspect of it.

Markus

In your scenario you have criminal somehow able to find and identify three open carriers in a crowded bar. Then shoot all three of them before even one has time to fire back. Doesn't seem all that realistic to me and would require the criminal to have far more discipline than you credit legal firearm carriers with.

Can you list any innocent bystanders that were ever hit or killed by a legal firearms carrier while he is defending himself against a criminal? The way you talk it must happen every day so i'd be interested in seeing what must be a huge list of victims. You do know of some instances right?

I know my English Grammar isn't perfect.
The story is a made up story

I wrote that he found two men with open carry while he looked around the first time and shot them first, he then toke another look and could see people rushing to the entré to get out-What he didn't see was that there was 3 more men with open carry.

The question is-How will they react, when the perpetrator starts to shoot wildly into the fleeing crowd ?

Secondly

There has been an another mass shooting, this time in Kentucky

https://abc7chicago.com/active-shoot...oday/13109212/

Markus

And my question is when have you ever heard of that happening? There are many examples of an armed citizen stopping a crime in progress but I have yet to hear of any instances that back up your theory.

Well then I was wrong in my made up story.

I was thinking that open carry wasn't the same as having cold blood in the vene.

I do understand that most of these people has trained in using their guns.

This mass shooting in Kentucky toke place in a state where:
Any person 21 years of age or older who can legally possess a firearm under State and Federal Law can carry a concealed handgun in the State of
Kentucky without a permit.

Markus

And previous killings have taken place in California which has the toughest gun control laws in the country. Not sure what point you are making here.

Jan 21, 2023 California Monterey Park 12 Killed 9 Injured

Chinese Lunar New Year celebration. "man opened fire with a machine gun and stopped to reload." - witness; Related to 121 S Garfield Ave, Alhambra (non shooting) incident at Lai Lai ballroom suspect shot self in standoff in Torrance - Hawthorne and Sepulveda Blvd Gun assault pistol
Source:
https://patch.com/california/los-ang...olice-response

Jan 23, 2023 California Half Moon Bay 7 Killed 1 Injured

incident stemmed from his anger over a $100 equipment bill after wrecking a forklift
Source:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...ed/ar-AA16Ki8X

It is unlawful to bring a firearm into an establishment that serves alcohol, state or federal offices, court rooms and buildings. Since law abiding citizens would not have a firearm in a bar, that makes everyone in your bar scenario with a firearm bad guys and perpetrators. :yep:

13 Mass shootings in California this year vs 1 in Kentucky, so far

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/r...sc&order=State

Aren't you forgetting the school shooting? Also, California has almost nine times the population.

But it has far more intrusive gun control. That tells me that it doesn't work.

Maybe it does and it could be worse, how do you measure that? I'm not proposing to ban guns, but better regulation of that militia can't hurt.

I have a strong suspicion that many of these mass shooters are actually anti-gunners serving themselves up as martyrs for their cause. :hmmm:

Sounds like another conspiracy theory to deflect blame.