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Originally Posted by Buddahaid (Post 2760556)

Mercedes is fast becoming my top choice for most disliked team.

Welcome to the club :)

Nothing malicious in it, but that's two weeks straight where Merc took out the competition and then went on to score big points themselves. Surely the gods will be making good on what has transpired over the past two events.

Congrats to Ocon for his win. While events had to conspire to hand him the victory, he still took it with both hands and was relentless. A fantastic drive with the focus and pressure squarely on him. Vettel was nipping at his exhaust the entire way but Ocon didn't put a foot wrong and deserves his moment in the sun.

And it wouldn't have been possible had Alonso not got his elbows out defending against Hamilton. Their battle was thrilling and I was on the edge of my seat. That was F1 at its finest. Ironically it was the fact that Hungary is such a lousy race track that we ended up with such thrilling racing. At just about any other track, save Monaco perhaps, Hamilton would have quickly gotten by I think.

That start. My goodness. Bottas got it all wrong after a terrible start and took out half the top of the order. I just couldn't believe it, as the broadcast view went wide and I watched as first Max then Perez were clobbered boom, boom. Real head in the hands stuff. Max had gotten a great start, not to mentioned Lando, and Bottas just bottled it and ruined all their races. That's two weeks in a row that Merc took their competition out of the race. Bottas is far too experienced for that. Max did well to at least finish in the points, but with that massive damage on a track with little overtaking he was doomed. Beyond the race, the cost of these repairs is a killer, as we are under a spending cap and that's a few million in damage over the past two races. Money Red Bull cannot now spend on 2022. And two ICE's which are limited to three for each car for the season, likely leading to some grid penalties down the line for Red Bull. None of it was intentional on Merc's part I don't think, but the damage is still done and it's massively frustrating. Stroll's spearing of Lerlerc was boneheaded, to add to the carnage.

Kimi finished 11th. Haha, see I told you. But that becomes a 10th if Vettel's DQ stands. Both Williams in the points! Both Alpha Tauris too.

Ocon's win was the first for a French driver, with a French car with a French engine since Prost in 1983.

But yeah, another day when I wish I were a neutral. Max has had horrible luck. First his left rear explodes in Baku from the lead. Then Hamilton punts him off the track at Silverstone. Then Bottas takes him out in Hungary. He managed to finish, but still. That leaves Hamilton leading the championship and it feels unwarranted. Here's hoping for better fortune ahead.

Best race of the season so far, can't help feeling sorry for Vettel this should not of happened the technology is there to allow less fuel consumption the pit control should of done that. Rules are rules tho.

Just as a point of intertest the Alpine is not strictly a 100% french car. Its Anglo-French. The factories are in Viry-Chatillon France and the Enstone factory in the UK . A lot of the chasis development for F1 cars are in the UK . It is of course a Renualt powerplant

Simon

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Red Bull's Max Verstappen was declared the winner of a Belgian Grand Prix that lasted two laps behind the safety car.

Heavy rain prevented any competitive racing at the Spa-Francorchamps track.

The start was delayed by half an hour before two attempts were made to start the race - with a gap of nearly three hours between them.

But conditions were deemed too dangerous and the red flag was flown after two and a half laps behind the safety car.

The result was therefore declared from the grid order, with Verstappen ahead of Williams driver George Russell and Mercedes' Lewis Hamilton.

Two laps was enough to award half points, according to the regulations, so Verstappen has cut Hamilton's championship lead to three points.

What a shambles :nope:

Ridiculous result, how is that fair ? Why start the race in the first place ? :06:

You try one last time to start on the chance enough water will be dispersed. It wasn't.

Fair? As fair as any qualifying session can be considered fair. At least Red Bull didn't get taken out by Mercedes.

Not sure what the better alternative is to what was done. Zero points? OK, maybe. Hard to argue that it is better or worse than what was done. I don't know what the answer is frankly, but I'm OK with what was done. Max outscored everyone, so that's good from my point of view, but no one wants it this way.

If the race cannot be run but qualifying is complete I think this is probably the best way to go about it rather than just strike the event from the record. I can see merit in the claim that no points should be awarded, but they were forced to go with one or the other, and I don't have a problem with this decision on what was a unique set of circumstances.

Max Verstappen has moved back to the head of the drivers’ standings, after winning the Dutch Grand Prix at Zandvoort over title rival Lewis Hamilton, sending his home fans into ecstasy, as the second Mercedes of Valtteri Bottas completed the podium.

In the first Dutch Grand Prix since 1985, Verstappen led away from pole, keeping Hamilton at bay throughout the 72-lap encounter around the sweeping Zandvoort track, to bring home his seventh win of the season, as Hamilton had to settle for second, the seven-time champion stopping with two laps to go for softs.

Bottas was a comfortable third, despite his own late stop for soft tyres, with Bottas appearing to then ignore team orders not to attempt to take the fastest lap bonus point away from Hamilton – only for Hamilton to claim it anyway on the final lap.

Finally a clean race with no safety cars or red flags on a track I thought would have several of each on race day.

Now for Monza where Mercedes will flip the title back.

Mercedes lock out the first row for the sprint qualifying tomorrow as expected except that Bottas has pole over Hamilton.

Plenty of mix up pulling out of garages from teams waiting to see who blinks first and who gets the best tow. I can't recall what race it was but maybe the Argentine when everybody waited so long nobody got a time. That was in the seventies or eighties.

Valtteri Bottas will start Sunday's Italian Grand Prix from the back of the grid having taken a raft of new power unit components, but, after taking P1 in qualifying on Friday, the Mercedes driver is still convinced he can score solidly in Sunday's race.

This being Bottas last season with Mercedes means imho anything can be expected from him....I simply don't trust him.

Red Bull's Max Verstappen will start the Italian Grand Prix from pole with title rival Lewis Hamilton only fourth.

Hamilton's Mercedes team-mate Valtteri Bottas won the 'sprint' qualifying race but will start last after taking a penalty for a power unit change.

Hamilton finished behind McLaren's Daniel Ricciardo and Lando Norris after an uncharacteristically poor start.

Verstappen now leads Hamilton by five points in the title race after taking two points for second in the sprint.

Bottas took three points for first and Ricciardo one for third.

I knew McClaren were going to be competative but I'm still surprised Lewis couldn't find a way past Lando.

McClaren one two finish with Riccardo taking first place from the start and fun to see a shoey again.

Lewis and Max. What can you say? Amazing that they both have terrible pit stops and find themselves for the second time this race locking horns in a chicane! I don't know this will be ruled but at least they both had DNFs unlike Silverstone and the halo again proves it's worth.

McLaren's Daniel Ricciardo won the Italian Grand Prix after a frightening crash between title rivals Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen.

Red Bull's Verstappen flipped up beside Hamilton as the pair battled for position, the rear of Verstappen's car landing on Hamilton's Mercedes, the halo head protection device possibly saving the seven-time champion from injury.

Both retired, beached in the gravel, meaning Verstappen remains five points ahead of Hamilton in the title race.

However, the Dutchman was handed a three-place grid penalty by stewards after the race, to be taken at the Russian Grand Prix in two weeks' time.

Ricciardo's British team-mate Lando Norris was second after a brilliant late overtake, handing the team a first one-two since the 2010 Canadian Grand Prix and their first victory in nearly a decade.

Ricciardo screamed over team radio as he crossed the line: "Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Yes! For anyone who thought I left, I never left. Thanks guys."