This was one of my first thoughts when the **it hit the fan on the NSA, but I could not remember the name of the boat or the name of the captain.

Thanks for the links ... didn't they accidently cut the cable as I remember?

If true there was no accident about it. You can't tap fiber optic cable without first cutting it.

Be careful gents - this is a link to wikileaks.
Remember, you are watched by the NSA and they keep all your online activities save.
If you plan to work for a public institution it may be better not to click the link.

http://wikileaks.org/Statement-from-...n-in.html?snow

"In the end the Obama administration is not afraid of whistleblowers like me, Bradley Manning or Thomas Drake. We are stateless, imprisoned, or powerless. No, the Obama administration is afraid of you. It is afraid of an informed, angry public demanding the constitutional government it was promised — and it should be."

@Mittelwaechter.

Again lots of good ideas. Good thoughts and insights. Please don't take offence but it's mostly wishful thinking. I say that because I don't see how it can be brought about. I don't see it happening.

Then again if you are personally trying to do something about it, good for you. I wish you all the best.

Good to know. Neither am I. But I have a realistic view of the world as it is.
It's not pretty. I wish it wasn't so.

Regards, crank.:salute:

It would send a warning signal: Politicias and leaders are not only powerful but also Vulnerable.
who is next for leading a country? wil spawn the question : who is next in line to be killed?

This either leads to Leaders being more careful in their Doings, or in Humanity selfdestructing.

I hope the latter, for i see no purpose for humans on this planet, besides getting on the nerves of all other forms of life.

From the biggest trees to the smallest beast, we the predators in here, and really deserve to die for our stupid, egoist, evil ways.

So Putin says he can stay in Russia if he does no more harm to "our American partners." Interesting line in BS there. Hats off Vladimir.

http://world.time.com/2013/07/01/put...-with-a-catch/

heh.
If snowden is an element that might help to overthrow the system...
and Putin is the head of another system...

its only logical to handcuff snowden, or make him promise to behave. Best interest for mpother russia too.

if he stays in russia, he gets a bullet in the neck and a shallow grave, sometime down the road.
and he knows that. so now, he wont stay in russia.

simplez.

what putin really said is that they do not want snowden. they just wrapped that content
in some roses, with thick thorns.

getouttahere, troublemaker!

Absolutely. They don't want him, though they may want his information which would be the only way they'd let him stay. If they get the info and no-one else does.

Putin want's someone else to shave the pig.

its ridiculous even.

you reveal flaws of "da system" and tell the population.

you say you know a lot of nasty stuff.

you run away from "da system" and ask a different "da system" to protect you and your personal future from your old "da system"

all the while still being a timebomb to ANY "da system"

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0SP7i74Sy0...-chan-meme.png

The list of those not going to grant asylum are growing:

Asylum requests

• Rejected: Austria, Brazil, Finland, India, Ireland, Norway, Poland, Spain, Switzerland
• Withdrawn: Russia
• Pending: Bolivia, China, Cuba, Ecuador, Germany, Iceland, Italy, Netherlands, Nicaragua
• Unconfirmed: France, Venezuela

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23145887

Stumbled across this here.
The people have to realize there is a problem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTjMqda19wk

And this is a great old man, telling the truth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsL6mKxtOlQ

The danish politicians say that, if he seeks asylum in Denmark he should be granted this. It's mostly those from the left such as Ehl(The united list)

Markus

I see our resident misanthrope still hasn't figured out what the easiest and best solution to his angst would be, both long- and short term.

I think he should come back and face the government David vs Goliath style. It just looks too cowardly to me for him to be running like this. If he felt so strongly about informing the people then he should have had the balls to stand his ground HERE in America. People in America are desperately looking for a leader to rally behind. We need someone with the balls to lead the way. Our government has just too much power and control over us these days. We live in the most restrictive country in the world and have the nerve to say we live in a "free" country.

What's so free about it? Just seems to be a nation of laws and restrictions for just about anything and everything. Can say this, can't do that, or it's off to prison with you for a very very long time. We have the highest incarceration rate in the world. It's costing American tax payers a fortune to house, feed, medicate all these supposed criminals. Most of the people in prison are not bad people. Why don't we only confine REAL dangers to society like murderers, rapists, child molesters, armed bank robbers, and terrorists? Why put drug users in prison?

Why put people in prison who do drugs, write bad checks, don't pay their taxes, steal petty property, etc? Deterrent? Well, that doesn't seem to be working. What sense does it make for society to go all out just to punish a man who goes into a store and steals a gallon of milk and a Snickers bar? The total cost of his theft is under $10 bucks, yet the store owner will call the cops and they will come out to investigate. That right there cost more than $10 bucks since you have to pay the cops salary, his gas for his patrol car, the report, etc. Then they catch this man and put him in jail and hook him up with a free attorney at the tax payers expense that costs thousands of dollars. He's being feed more than $10.00 a day worth of food while awaiting his trial. He even gets his medical expenses fully covered during this time if he needs any emergency medical issues taken care off, all on tax payer expense.

Then he goes to trial, gets found guilty, goes back to jail for a year for his crime. By the time it's all said and done, a $10 theft turned into hundreds of thousands, if not millions in some cases, all for such petty crap. This country has just become too greedy, doesn't care about it's people (especially the poor and lower middle class), and only wants to depopulate by getting involved in pointless never ending wars to kill off as many men as possible.

i aint got no angst, for there is no need to be afraid.
i just see.
and stopped caring for the large picture.

7 billion and counting.

half of those want
drinkable water
proper food
land
security
fake Boobs for themselves or their wives(or both)
an iphone,
a house,
season tickets to opera/baseball/basketball/soccer
and two cars per household.


...whaddya expect?

they even start stopping each other's planes from transiting, for fear of displeasing the Big bullies, aka US of A.

i mean...

Snowden case: Spain allows Evo Morales jet to fly over.

This story just keeps on getting better....anymore for anymore?

It'll all end up in total war a tells ya :)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-23158242

^ 'in former times' (read: not long ago) this kind of wiretapping
was a cause for war.

However i cannot really express the disgust and despise for governments not letting planes with S. fly over their territory, or granting asylum.
Including my own.

Erbärmlich. :nope: