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Red October1984 08-17-13 12:36 AM

I've done it before.

Stealhead is right. It's not challenging to pick up.

I had an iOS app where you could take apart an AK-47...I think I got to like 2 minutes on that thing.

I've only done it once with the real thing and I didn't completely disassemble it. :)

Stealhead 08-17-13 12:36 AM

Well you must not have been in the military because a functionally check should be performed by each person that takes down and reassembles the weapon.

You strip a firearm either to clean it or because malfunction has occurred and you need to ascertain what is wrong fix it if possible and then reassembly the weapon the final step being making sure the things works and that you assembled it correctly hence the functionality check.


the other very very bad habit they are teaching as I mentioned is as they walked up to perform the drill they should first and foremost have pulled the bolt back and looked into the chamber to confirm that the firearm in their hands does have a round in it lest they send a bullet down the barrel and through the wall into the kind in the next rooms head.Not safe at all.Even if you know that the gun is not loaded and their are no bullets in 1,000 miles you still check every single time you touch any firearm.

Now more than likely that rifle has a rod welded into the barrel and the firing pin has been melted but it is still a firearm and the point I assume is to teach the kids to some day handle a fully functional version of the real thing that shots bullets down the barrel at 2,700 FPS that you can not take back once it has been fired.

Feuer Frei! 08-17-13 12:39 AM


Looks like the ak-47 shown in the video only has 5 parts to it.

That suggests to me that it is missing pertinent parts, us-made parts and factory parts which can't be removed.
Ie a modified version.

Magazine, operating handle, bolt carrier, gas-cylinder tube, handguard.

So a monkey could do it.

On a modified version, which this seems to be.

A fully-constructed ak-47, not so likely.

(sorry about font colour, internet went offline)

As for the military, i served.

We used to strip the slr 7.62, functionality check, as you put it, was done once, before the operation (strip).
Slr was stripped, blindfolded and open-eyed.

the slr was about as easy to strip as that modified ak-47.

I failed to add, that a field strip is different from a detailed strip. As you would know.


Stealhead 08-17-13 12:44 AM

It looks like an AK-74M to standard issue to the Russian army and they remove the muzzle brake which is a feature of the 74 and the 103 the other clue that is an AK-74 and not a 103 is that the magazine is a 5.45x39mm magazine.

Stealhead 08-17-13 12:57 AM

I count 7 major components all as they should be

1.dust cover
2.carrier spring
3.bolt carrier with piston
4.bolt
5.gas tube
6.magazine
7.muzzle brake

I still say a monkey can do it because in parts of this wonderful world of ours 8 year old children have fought in wars using the AK.

nikimcbee 08-17-13 01:09 AM

There was a gun in that video, I just saw the....:haha:

I was afraid the video was going to be about this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Dsb7oHtf3A

Stealhead 08-17-13 01:11 AM

You might like this Lousaina girl nikimcbee this time an AK-47 being taken down.She forgot to mention that her AK has been modified with a bolt hold open so all that she talks about at the start there will not happen on an unmodified AK bolt.

The other thing with the Russian high school AK is surely very loose fitting compared to a rifle(most) that are not stripped dozens of times on a daily basis another disservice to those Russian kids as in the field things will be much tighter not to mention that some Russian NCO will be crushing your spleen and kicking you in the face while you desperately try to strip the AK.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4xKB-aPt0k

nikimcbee 08-17-13 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stealhead (Post 2101441)
You might like this Lousaina girl nikimcbee this time an AK-47 being taken down.She forgot to mention that her AK has been modified with a bolt hold open so all that she talks about at the start there will not happen on an unmodified AK bolt.

The other thing with the Russian high school AK is surely very loose fitting compared to a rifle(most) that are not stripped dozens of times on a daily basis another disservice to those Russian kids as in the field things will be much tighter not to mention that some Russian NCO will be crushing your spleen and kicking you in the face while you desperately try to strip the AK.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4xKB-aPt0k

:haha::up:. kinda overdressed.

Ducimus 08-17-13 05:28 AM

Kalashankov rifles were designed for simplicity, and to be able to be used by russian farmers/peasants/whatever you want to call their common folk with a minimal amount of training. One must remember this rifle system was designed right after WW2 with the lessons learned from that conflict in mind.

For a point of comparison, i think Steelhead might like this video:

Take apart M16a2

As an aside, it kind of saddens me that my "go to war rifle", is today's training rifle. Although, i think the people who came before me probably said the same thing, as I was trained on M16A1's, when my "real world" rifle was the A2. In another generation, the M4's will probably be the training rifles and something else will be their go to war rifle.

Susexx 08-17-13 06:11 AM

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Citizens can buy Kalashnikovs made ​​v1950-1960 7.62 x 39. It's no problem. A pistols and revolvers are afraid we can not ... we shoot them all at once. Laws clown!

http://armsline.ru/catitem/666/wepry-k_wpo-133.html
Price ~ 500 USD

August 08-17-13 02:52 PM

I'd still take an M16 over an AK47 any day. That extra 100 meters effective range not to mention increased accuracy is key.

Stealhead 08-17-13 03:12 PM

See that all ways kind of irritates me when people say that about the AK-47
we are not talking a smooth bore musket ball good luck at anything past 50 ft here.The difference is not that vast.If you have trouble hitting targets within the typical combat ranges with an AK-47 you are the problem not the rifle.

The supposedly inaccurate aK-47 sure has done a hell of a lot of damage and put a lot of people six feet under.

If you have good marksmanship you'll still score effective hits.And lets be honest here for any standard issue rifle 300m is your realistic combat effective range I do not care if it shots 5.56 or 30-06.This fact has been proven since WWI.

August 08-17-13 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stealhead (Post 2101717)
The supposedly inaccurate aK-47 sure has done a hell of a lot of damage and put a lot of people six feet under.

So have rocks and arrows. The fact remains that AK's are significantly less accurate than the M16/M4. they are heavier and they have significant differences in specifications depending on who makes it whereas AR parts are pretty much universal.

This is not to say that AK is useless but given my choice between the two the M16/M4 i'll pick the latter every time.

Red October1984 08-17-13 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stealhead (Post 2101717)
See that all ways kind of irritates me when people say that about the AK-47
we are not talking a smooth bore musket ball good luck at anything past 50 ft here.The difference is not that vast.If you have trouble hitting targets within the typical combat ranges with an AK-47 you are the problem not the rifle.

The supposedly inaccurate aK-47 sure has done a hell of a lot of damage and put a lot of people six feet under.

If you have good marksmanship you'll still score effective hits.And lets be honest here for any standard issue rifle 300m is your realistic combat effective range I do not care if it shots 5.56 or 30-06.This fact has been proven since WWI.


That's one thing that irritates me too. The AK is accurate...just look at the fighting style of the Taliban.

Volume of random fire supported by RPG's.

I'm sure the Russians are crack shots with the AK series. The AK just gets the "inaccurate" reputation because of the fighting styles it's being associated with.

The Taliban (I'm going off of what I've read in several memoirs) don't take aimed shots. They have guys just fire away in the direction of the enemy in numbers. They support by using aimed RPG's.

Russian troops probably at least take aim before they shoot.

Quote:

Originally Posted by August (Post 2101734)
So have rocks and arrows. The fact remains that AK's are significantly less accurate than the M16/M4. they are heavier and they have significant differences in specifications depending on who makes it whereas AR parts are pretty much universal.

This is not to say that AK is useless but given my choice between the two the M16/M4 i'll pick the latter every time.

Yes...the M16 and M4 are more accurate...but the AK is not completely inaccurate.

Personal preference? I'd take an M4 SOPMOD or Mk 14 Mod 0

Stealhead 08-17-13 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by August (Post 2101734)
they are heavier and they have significant differences in specifications depending on who makes it


Err... well I am sorry but that is simply not correct you can find Frankenstein AKs all over the world.You can find Frankenstein AKs right here in the US your statement is simply not true.

Go to Afghanistan or Iraq or any place where the AK-47 is commonly used and you'll find rifles that have a Russian bolt Chinese receiver Polish folding stock and East German stippled stocks.

Now perhaps you are referring to interchangeable uppers and bolt assemblies which allow an AR to be converted from 5.56mm to a different caliber with relative ease that would be something that the typical AK is not capable off.But you seem to be saying that AK are not interchangeable on the basic level with one manufactured else where which as I said is utterly incorrect.

Ducimus 08-17-13 04:57 PM

Personally, I don't scoff at anything that fires a 30 caliber round. 7.62, turning cover into concealment for many years now.

Red October1984 08-17-13 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducimus (Post 2101777)
Personally, I don't scoff at anything that fires a 30 caliber round. 7.62, turning cover into concealment for many years now.

I've always respected the caliber having killed deer with it. :up:

I can personally vouch that it's very accurate at 150 yards when fired through a bolt action. That gun was a tack driver.

August 08-17-13 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stealhead (Post 2101776)
But you seem to be saying that AK are not interchangeable on the basic level with one manufactured else where which as I said is utterly incorrect.

No but I have enough personal experience with after market parts for both the AK and AR platforms to know there are often tolerance issues with the former requiring modification to get them to fit properly.

Platapus 08-17-13 09:06 PM

If I knew I would be stuck in a crappy environment and not have the opportunity to properly clean my weapon, I would choose the AK.

I agree that the M-16 is a precision weapon, but like many precision tools, it is not as tolerant/forgiving to bad hygiene as the AK.

I shot the M-16 at 300 meters on the range. That is not the range I would want to be in a combat situation. :nope: It took a lot to get a hit on a man-sized target at that range. But at 100-200 meters, I would not mind the AK.

I would rather carry an M-16, but shoot the AK.:D

August 08-17-13 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 2101853)
I shot the M-16 at 300 meters on the range. That is not the range I would want to be in a combat situation. :nope: It took a lot to get a hit on a man-sized target at that range. But at 100-200 meters, I would not mind the AK.

Well personally i'd much rather engage an enemy at 300 meters than at 100. The further away the better. :)

The way I see it with the M16 you get 100-200 meters to kill your enemy before he gets into range to use that AK effectively.

Also it's not like at 200 meters the AK suddenly becomes as accurate as an M16. The trouble you had hitting your target at 300 with the M16 is the same trouble the AK shooter will have at 200 and an ill maintained AK like we're talking about will have that trouble at 100.


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