Well ok then. Unfortunately there are quite a few neo-nazis and other far-right people in Europe. The concept is not an abstraction as it seems to be to Americans. So I take these types of "I'm not a racist, but..."-type things with a grain of salt.

Yeah gotta love that opening line "im not racist but...." that cracks me up everytime.:rotfl2:
Way too much hysteria over Islam at the moment, As if they can actually taking over the world :haha:

1) Muslims are not even united amongst them selves and there numbers in Western countries are still in the minority by a long way.

2) Most modern Muslims have no desire to take over world or infulence political change any more than Christians or Jews do. Most of the ones ive met are more far more intrested in having a good job and a nice car.


3) How many Christians or Athiests do you know that have recenlty converted to Islam? Ive known Muslims all my life, would I convert to Islam? HELL NO!

4) So muslim extremists occassionally succeed in commiting terrorist attacks once every 5-10 years or so. But so do a zillion other non muslim terror groups accross the globe.
Anyway when was the last time you saw a Nation and its peoples will broken by terrorism?
Never, because it only suceeds in generating hate.
The realistic objective of any terrorist is to create some temporary fear and instability, but above all - stir up trouble in the hope that something bigger will kick off between governments or groups.

IMHO Even the spread of Seasonal flu is scarier.

Actually I know two people who "converted" so they could marry Muslim girls. Ever noticed how when two people from different religions get married its always the bloke who has to convert? :roll: Of course there is a difference between true conversion and just going through the motions so you can get Kama Sutra for life. ;)

I translated this from the german original by Henryk Broder, published in Die Welt today.

This silence about this asymmetry, this notorious ignorrance for the massive lack of balance between what Muslims are already allowed in the West, but stupid dhimmis and doomed infidels are prohibited in Muslim countries, is the most prominent argument why the nutcases and self-haters, the totalitarian idealists and reality-deniers give an impression of being such hilarious carricatures of reasonability and rationality. I just laugh into their self-righteous but stupid faces. As a matter of fact members from different Islamic sects are more free in the West to practice according to their faith than they are in most muslim countries, while christians and Jews in Muslim countries get constantly harassed, discriminated and reduced in numbers by making them flee. especially the last years have seen a massive spike in the exodus of christians from all Muslim countries - not just Iraq. But some funny guys take it upon them to criticise Europe for daring to defend a little bit of its cultural identity - in it's very own home, in its very own place, in its very own culture! How ridiculous and absurd that criticism is! Mockery, shame and laughter for that!

Heheh, Yeah but thats not because they decided Islam was the life for them.... just an obstical that needed to be crossed, their heart was in it for the girl only...i suspect.

I agree that it make perfect sense. (fair is fair)

The fundermental difference/problem here, is that Western societies have already offered those freedoms for decades. Islamic ruled countries do not and never have - nothing new there at all.
It is their problem not ours.
We are clamping down on those freedoms in the aftermath of some terrorist attacks.
But in doing so, we are taking a leaf out of their book and following their example of intollerence.
Not that it bothers you, Im sure.... :D

Excuse me, but what is wrong with it? That's what I can't stand, the moment one is criticising another culture one is labelled a racist. If I was a racist why do I hate Nazis? If I was a racist, why do I hang around with foreigners (Chinese, Polish, Russians, Philippines)? Why is it that I have no trouble with those guys but don't like Islam? Could it be because Islam has presented itself to me differently than the others? Could it be Islam's fault that I don't like it while not having problems with other races/cultures? HELL NO!!! Islam is nice!!! If I don't like Islam it's all my fault and I'm a f*cking Nazi/Racist/supporter of death camps etc...:roll:

Ever heard the words "long term plan"? They are already on the move here. One small step after another.

Cat Stevens now known as Yusuf Islam, Casius Clay now known as Muhamed Ali (ok, the two did not convert recently but are well known), some members of the "Sauerland Gruppe" (A terror group in Germany that was taken out before they could carry out their attacks), Some teacher over here who wanted to wear a headscarf while teaching...

I think you misunderstood the point. I don't fear so much terror attacks. It is the slow process of being pushed back and being taken over that makes me feel very uncomfortable. That is not necessarily combined with physical violence (as long as you don't stand in the way that is).

Not necessarily but it does raise questions. To me it's almost like the whole 'discussion' about muslims etc. is a ruse to take attention from the horrible debacles that are the Iraq and Afghanistan wars which have resulted in countless deaths already.

But since muslims are evil then I guess it doesn't matter if a bunch of them dies as a result of some shady wars. :roll:

Hmm. I don't think so. Here in Germany it is quite difficult to discuss the matter altogether without being called the things I already wrote. The politicians avoid the whole thing as much as they can and always just try to appease. So there is no official discussion and therefore it can't distract from the "war like situations" in Afghanistan (there is not really a war there, is it???:roll:).

Can't say I'm surprised that you would immediately begin to belittle the war in Afghanistan.

Ok well put simply, Why now? why is the western world & its main stream media suddenly quaking in it boots over the spread of Islam? when 10 years ago - it barley gave a toss!

I really dont see what there is to be so worried about.
Islam may spread, but it can only spread so far - Everyone is different, for every one guy that converts to Islam there are 10,000 or so who reject it.
This is western paranoia over nothing.

Our culture, co-operations and govenments' happens to control the global economy and 90% of worlds weath if not more..
Some jerks fly planes in to some of our buildings, not satisfied by simply punishing those responsible, we go and invade two countries to remove their governments from power. Did we check to see if the Iraqi and Afghan people where cool with it first? No of course not.
Now I'm not going to start criminalising the West, but you tell me who is more effective at enforcing their values (when called upon.)
FFS yes, Islam is here to stay - and so is capitialism, christianity & all the rest.

If islam wants to dominate, they are not going to be able to achieve it with Mosques and Hibjabs

And I REALLY want to know, are we really and statisticly being 'slowly pushed back'?
-or is it just media scare mongering which gives us the 'impression' that we are being 'slowly pushed back'? :hmmm:

Im not Anti-west I live and work here for crying out loud.
Im just trying to be objective, is it really not so hard to step into some one elses shoes for a split second is it?

Because people who are truley not racist - dont even feel the need to say it, they dont even think about it :haha:

No seriously, it cracks me up because me and my friends often use the line 'Im not racist but.." in many private jokes. Thats all.

Im not racist but... I sure like to joke about it :D

Well done Skybird , you do the work for me.
I apologise if you didn't realise. But the fact is that nearly every time you write something you contradict your own arguement, just about every time you attempt to justify your own arguement you ridicule your other arguements.
Charlie Chaplin was late with publication and distribution, but it was still as funny as ****
Forget the ska rythym
A message to you skybird
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcvjoWOwnn4

I once bought a record by Toots, I did enjoy the ethnic beat
Oh big up to dem immigrant posse....seen:yeah:

Sorry, but I think you misunderstood me (or I misunderstand you, either way). Our government refuses to talk about a war in Afghanistan although there are fights on a regular basis which also include German forces. Still our politicians insist that there is no war. It was a huge step forward that our new Minister of Defence finally spoke of "Kriegsähnliche Zustände" (warlike conditions). That's why I used that term, though I have to admit that I translated "Zustände" wrong calling them situations instead of conditions... To me there is a war going on and our politicians should finally call it what it is. Everything else is just plain unfair to our troops over there.

Yeah in fact it was so crap, we should send them all back to their bleeding country innit :D

:haha:

Yep, that much is true :D

It still doesn't give a toss about it here. That would make them racists you know?;)
Well I'm 28 now and I've never before seen a so heavy presence of Islam in this country. They are everywhere, mosques are being erected like mad here. That together with the "friendly" attitude that a lot of them have towards our society (there is a reason why our constitution protection is observing a lot of "culture clubs" like Mili Görüs) which is backed by high ranking officials in Muslim countries (I want to point at the "lovely" Erdogan speech as an example once more) and by high Ayatollahs who made no secrets of their plans to take over, doesn't really make me like them.
Another point is that Islam de facto supports slavery. Or how would you call what their women are? Stripped of some elemental rights and almost a posession of their husbands. Lovely....not! I can't condone that here. If they think they have to handle it that way where they came from, fine more power to them, but over here we have other rules!

Are you sure? I'm afraid I made a different observation.
Do you have any statistics about that?

Again, I would not be so sure of that. One word: Oil

Where were the loud protests against it in the Islamic world? Where are the protests when another jerk blew himself up? Nothing? Silence? Oh well, I guess silence is then the Muslim's way of showing anger....oh wait their silence was pretty different when this Danish newspaper published this Mohammed caricatures.....:hmm2:

It is not about military strikes. It is about a "Revolution" from within. They don't need military force. I don't think we have much to defend ourselves against this process nor do I see the willingness to protect our values.
If you want to see how values are protected, ask the religion police in Iran.;)

No, but it is just another step.

The reproduction rate of people with Islamic background is much higher than that of native Germans. So it might take long, but in the end they will simply out breed us (is this the right English term?).

Never accused you of being so.:DL
But I'm afraid that my experience in that shoes for that split second is different from yours.

Now I have to ask one question.
Can you name me one Islamic country that is tolerant of others? I mean tolerance of religion. Equal rights of men and women and all the stuff we take for granted here.
To me it seems that Islam is only tolerant when it is a minority. The moment they have power they suppress every other way of living/thinking and that'S what I don't want to happen here.

Don't be cruel , mockery doesn't befit you.

Bloody hell Skybird !!!!!
Pat???He used to be really funny on the circuit before his act went down the pan and he opted for populist conspiracy crap on the web.
The fact that you even link to his rants really speaks volumes for your point of view.

yeah yeah , if you take a creationist approach and assume that rates are constant so they fit your view.
BTW whatever happened to they mennonites with their low german?
did they ever adapt as immigrants and abandon their practices?