im grateful for anything to do with subs! it could be worse! we could be aeroplane enthusiasts and get sod all! im looking forward to it !

While not the perfect addon, I would have much preferred Royal Navy subs in the far east I can't help but be pleased by Ubisoft's continuing commitment to the series.

I can't say I understand the attitude of the "It isn't everything I wan't so I won't buy it" folks. Its going to cost what $30-$50? Its not like its a major investment you can easily spend more than that on a 45 minute meal.

Support the genre or lose it, its really that simple.

I don't see why they should keep the Second World War theme. In the end it's always the same old story. Case 1: You play the German side and lose after a good start or Case 2: You play the US side and win after a crappy start. The only thing "new" is better graphics.
I've grown tired of WWII and I would be grateful for a Cold War sub game with state of the art graphics (but but the gameplay has to be good as well).

Case 3: play as the British in their theatres of operation

Case 4: Play as the Japanese maybe!

Cold war subsim would be boring as hell, you wouldn't actually do anything just effectively spy on the other side. Which is why if you are going to do a modern day submarine sim then I'd go for a fictitious "war" that happened say at the turn of the millenium or something.... I don't know... some large terrorist faction emerges and has their own navy, or an African nation goes rogue or something well... it would need a good story...

WW2 gives subsims a good story already straight of the bat. But I don't think that WW2 should be abandoned in lieu of modern day subs... rather modern day subs being a choice as well as WW2...

Strange....no-one makes reference to a futuristic (WWIII) scenario/campaign :hmm:

Realms of Fantasy here!

What we really need is an Age of Empires or RTW stylie - Naval Warfare Sim.

Strategically build up your army & technology and position your bases/forces around the globe, in whatever era.

Then have the option to leave the RTS arena and enter the first/third person sim as a captain or commander on one of your boats, submerged or surface. Hell, throw in planes too:D.

Why limit the gameplay to a specific era or player craft?

If this was done and done correctly, it would be a hot seller, especially with most studios trying to concentrate on MP functionality, oh, and make it cross platform.

A sim like that, I would pay handsomly for.:yep:



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Dan wakes, blurry eyed from his desk at work.

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I guess nobody has ever made a British WWII because they didn't have too many targets to sink. I'm sure the British subs did their part but Germany didn't have many ships to trade with nor had they many man-of-war. So if you would make a British sub game I think it would be rather boring. I guess many of you will disagree.;)

Making a Jap sub game is more promising but I guess it's hard to correctly recreate Japanese subs especially their interior. Further more you would be the equivalent of a sitting duck later in the war and last but not least: I hate to lose.;)

However I agree that a Cold War subsim would be rather boring if it's done like most of the modern subsims. I think what would such a game really needs is full interaction with your crew. If you could merge a modern subsim with an RPG element (like in Knights Of The Old Republic I+II) that would be fantastic.

Actually british ships had great success against italian convoys bringing supplies from Naples to the prots of North Africa, sinking lots of axis merchants. And they also had their share in strking japanese forces in the Pacific.

Anyway, I find it funny that when SH4 was announced to be in the Pacific, lots of people started whining and complaining that it wasn't a U-Boat sim, and now that a U-Boat expansion is announced there's also lots of people announcing they will pass on it. Oh well, you can't always please everybody....:hmm:

indeed,
weird fokes...
whats the problem anyway having both theaters in 1 Sim?
saves HD space you know ;)

To be honest I didn't think about the Mediterranian Sea.:oops: I was never really interested in that part of the war but I always thought that most convoys were destroyed by British surface forces, I guess one never stops learning.;)
Anyway, I'm looking forward to the add-on although it's not my favourite theatre of war.

U-Boats?
 

I am not interested. I won't play in an U-boat. Donalisa idea of a total warfare could be a much better possibility.:arrgh!:

With regard to a 'Cold War' subsim from UBI, sure why not? I can see that some people might not like it and that's fair enough, since it would have to largely go into the realms of fantasy if any shooting were to take place, and clearly that rubs some people up the wrong way judging by this thread.

But there are at least some events which can be extrapolated to create a believable combat scenario, notably the persistent rumours about a limited submarine war actually having taken place in 1968, which would form an interesting backdrop, since that 'event' supposedly involved France, Israel, the US and the USSR, so plenty of diverse sub types there, and plenty of geographic scope too! All taking place slap bang in the middle of proxy wars in South East Asia, South America and Central Africa too, none of which there is any doubt about. Failing that, it wouldn't take a rocket scientist to imagine a scenario where things heat up between Russia, China and the US in present or near-future times.

Anyone who has played the Dangerous Waters campaign will know that much of it is surveillance and dropping off special forces, that sort of thing, rather than shooting everything in sight, and there is far more emphasis on the cat and mouse aspect of submarine warfare than the firing, as is the case with the SH series. That's not everyone's cup of tea of course, but don't forget that modern submarines also add the ability to strike land targets many miles from their location, not to mention launching nuclear weapons, which does present the possibility of some very interesting scenarios. Then you have things like SOSUS, going under the polar ice caps and the like, so there is a wealth of fodder for an action-packed Cold War/Modern scenario if a developer decides to go for it, and I should imagine it would have a wider appeal than a WW2 sub sim, which, like it or not, is regarded 'ancient history' by many younger people.

:D Chock

Good point Chock on modern sub sim and the possiblities. Maybe involve the first Iraq war in the scenerios?

UBI does a good job with the game settings, so this would give it a much broader appeal than current modern subsims. I have Sub Command, but the learning curve was just to steep ( or maybe I was just to lazy :88) ) and I lost interest.


RDP

Interesting thread. Surprising, even.

Anyway, from my small window on the world:

SH4 expansion in the works: Good Thing
U-Boats with SH4 graphics: Good Thing
Continued development and investment in the SH product line: Good Thing

Nope, not seeing any bad news whatsoever here.

Look at the forum participation on SHIII - it runs at roughly 2/3 that of SHIV. When you introduce a new product in a series - and this is true of all products, not just games - you want to migrate your customer base to the new platform, churn this install base, and reap the associated revenues. So if Ubi notices a lot of folks continuing to play SHIII and not moving to SHIV - and most importantly, not paying for the new game - you can bet they're holding serious meetings asking themselves why.

There are several obvious reasons why folks stick with SHIII. One of those reasons - not the only one, of course - is that some customers simply prefer U-Boats. I'm one of those folks. (Although I actually own 2 copies of SHIV - one DD to get it fast, and one ordered through Subsim to support the forums).

This is simply removing a customer migration barrier. I think its great.

i´m still with sh3 but i will move to sh4 in the future with the last patch and the big mods packs. and better if there are u boats, because i like a lot the pacific campaign since Sh1, but the same with the atlantic campaign since "Aces of the deep" .

Adding u-boats to sh4 can help to the sh3 GWX people move to the new sh4 enviroment and buy the game. also it can boost the new mods creation about other theaters of war. and is good for ubi, new sh4 sales from the sh3 users.

Everybody wins with this market movement.

The Roster of new ships available (to sink) in the 'global campaign layers' is what I am excited about.

I would love to be assigned a few missions in the Atlantic in my GATO class as many US Subs were in RL before / inbetween patrols in the Pacific ... even if I have to learn how to write my own ICL.

Art

I was thinking about this as well. They explained no Japanese subs simply because they didn't have much significance (which is an argument used by plenty of people)... yet, they were used. It's up to the player to see how significant or successful they can be. That's what I think.

Kudos to them for at least bringing German subs back into the fray.

Yes there were a few US subs in the Atlantic mainly on defensive picket duty up and down the US east coast to the Caribbean

Subron 50 were the only ones to go into European waters AFAIK

http://www.navy.mil/navydata/cno/n87...t_victory.html

But I suppose with the addon making some German units available its possible for traffic to be added to the ATO within SH4 to allow US subs to patrol over that way too
Even adding Subron 50 as flotilla and working out of the UK

Opens up a world of possibilities

"Donalisa" :hmm: ....he'll love that :rotfl:

Welcome aboard Kaleun Taskeen :arrgh!: