"Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." -- Teddy Roosevelt.

That's a joke right? Afghan was done on the cheap using the Northern Alliance as a proxy on the ground, assisted by a few thousand Spec Forces troops, and NATO Air Power for support; and post-invasion we've maintained a rotating international force of a few thousand troops who've accomplished little more than fight a rear-gaurd action to try and hang onto (barely) our "victory".

And you definitely can't be talking about Iraq, for there is nothing mighty or glorious about a country of 300 million with the world's largest, most technologically advanced, and one of the best trained defeating an already defeated 3rd rate army that has no Air Force, no heavy armour, has less than 1/10th your population which has been reduced, after 2 wars and a decade of sanctions, to nearly 3rd world status and half of whose population was composed of children under the age of 16.

Nothing daring, mighty, or glorious about either of those half-assed easy victories that have since, through sheer incompetence and a complete and total denial of the post-invasion hurdles, have not only gone sour but worsened the very thing that these two campaigns are supposed to be part of a war on.

Yes this may be true AFER Operation I.F., but I'm pretty sure that before Operation I.F., They had the Largest Army in the world, They HAD an Air Force, and they had plenty of tanks....just count the ones blown up in the desert.:) In fact, I think we never had more than 300,000 troops in country (Iraq) at one time.

People who react so angrily to Sending troops in to Iraq or when Israel defended her self, are like crabs you find on humans and are located in one area, where the sun don't shine.

You never hear or find these people, when 100,000s are being slaughtered in the Sudan under the gun of Muslim militias, or in Rwanda where a million were butchered by machetes a few years back.

Is this what you call "pacifists selective protesting"?

I think it's accepted that africans will always butcher each other to the end of time.
As an american, we have our fingers in enough pies so essentially I don't care about Sudan or Rwanda.
We are in Iraq and Israel is tied tight to us so those are the ones I care about.

Christian extremists! :nope: :nope: :nope:

You can't really believe this. It's nonsense and you know it.

Yeah that is quite far fetched. I do not believe you can put Bush in the same boats as third world dictators like Chavez or Bhumibol. He will of course honour the laws and hold an election by late 2008.

Besides the man is very outspoken on his mandate from the people, not Gawd.

He will probably come up with some BS law to try to keep himself in power somehow and state that it's for the "good" of the American people! He'll think any other canidate for the job isn't going to "protect" America from terrorism.

BTW, I will laugh my a-- off when it doesn't happen and a Democrat takes the Whitehouse again and brings home the troops! I will think it's funny because it would be a HUGE slap in Bush's face to see someone else coming in a ruining his BIG plans for world domination and takeover. What will Bush do after that I wonder? Probably go hide under his bed in his jammies at his mommy and daddy's ranch in Texas thinking some terrorist is going to come after him! LOL!!! WHAT A PANSY!!!!:lol:

What is with you non-Americans and "Secret CIA Prisons/Torture camps"
PROVE that they exist, and are not just some thing you heard off of Dale Gribble from King of the Hill.

Abu Grav was one for instance... It was a torture camp! US Officials have covered that one up pretty good and put the blame on a few enlisted soldiers who were just following orders. Obviously an a high ranking officer would have and did know what was going on there. Orders from the president perhaps?

Just because it surfaced the way it did the US government was quick to "clean its hands" so to speak of any wrong doing. Of course we don't torture and humiliate the enemy, we are the US after all!

I smell BS and the odor seems to intensify the closer I get to Wash D.C.

Yep, Will just see what happens when Hillary "whore" Clinton takes office. We will just see how good a Lib. runs the office. happend before: Lindon B. Johnson "lost" (if you could even call it that) vietnam, John F. Kennady: Did no better, Bill Clinton: Serbia (theres still fighting over there) His "great" effort to kill the worlds most wanted man (OBL). Lets see how well his wife does.

Ok. You win. I have now read the most childish thing ever. And just when I thought I'd see it all.:roll:

I'd rather see Hillary in the Whitehouse than a repeat G.W. Bush.

BTW, there is no proof Hillary is a whore! She showed true composer and forgiveness to her husband who did something wrong. She is strong for this! Most women would have gone "all-out-ape-****" for the same thing!

This shows she has true character and she's not quick to rush to unneccesary war and violence unlike Bush who is a war fanatic.