I agree :yep:

Unfortunately Unity is available for free, but not World Creator

I am now finishing the "Petite Vieille" (working on textures as we speak). This is the first lighth I will send to you. Is the measuring tool needed urgently? :O:

I remind you that you can measure the distance between two vertices by simply selecting them. Wings' top bar will display automatically their absolute distance, followed by the distance along the three axes. 1 unit of length = 10 m. This is the most accurate measuring method and the most practical, unless you want to measure distances directly in game. :)

I don't understand... :doh:
Can you please show your and SHIII's version of the Island side by side?

Nice! What game is that? For a moment, before could I read your message, I thought it was SHIII LOL :doh::O:

We will see. As I said a few days back, the front light can be either on land or in the water. Should the concrete base be too short, we can try and raise the sea bed, or alternatively I can create a sand dune model to be attached below the base. As for the back light, it would be better if it was on land. I am confident that GWX/WAC got Dune and Helgoland in their right position. If not, I believe that shifting them by 200 or 400 meters shouldn't be too complicated.

:up:

Good news ! :yep: I will need the tool only when I build harbours. If you didn't know, harbours in SH3 are built with standard portions contained in the Library folder. A harbour file contains only positions and references for these standard portions. So, to create a new harbour, I need to import these portions in a .dat file, move them to the right position, and measure distances. Then, I get the absolute positions of each element, and I can remove all 3D models, letting only the placements (positions + parent IDs references).

:up:
I won't need Wings to create harbours, at least not to place the elements. But perhaps I will need to create new elements ?

Yes sure :

My own drawing : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...&postcount=137

Helgoland in WAC/GWX (at same scale as my previous drawing) :

http://i.imgur.com/gudBKfT.png

Flight simulator IIRC.

According to my comparison, it's not the case unfortunately. The island is two time bigger as the real one, and Düne is misplaced + wrong shape/size.

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About lighthouses that I would like to add, lots of pretty models here ;) : https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/use...av=collections

Another nice lighthouse :

- https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...e-de-dunkerque


And other models that are not lighthouses but would make very nice additions :

- https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...amaret-sur-Mer

- https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...-of-Saint-Malo

- https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...A9e-XVII-XVIII


I've even found U-Boot bunkers :) : https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...ochelle-France

I got you; I will work on that ruler :up:

I think creating some simple models will be a good exercise for you, but let me know anyway if you need for my help :salute:



I agree, we can do better :up:

I know :03:

Good model! You read in my mind: I was looking exactly at it just last night :yep::up:

Let's summarise
 

So, the lighthouses around Brest which I would like to add :

http://i.imgur.com/R6rpzg2.png

1- Portzic (https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...ZIC-Lighthouse)
2- Petit Minou (https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...NOU-Lighthouse)
3- Kermorvan (https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...VAN-Lighthouse)
4- La Vieille
5- Sein (https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...re-ILE-DE-SEIN)
5'- Men-Brial (https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...hare-MEN-BRIAL)
6- Tévennec (https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...re-de-TEVENNEC)
7- Ar-Men (https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...-phare-dAr-Men)
8- Pierres-Noires (https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...RES-Lighthouse)
9- Saint Mathieu (https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...IEU-Lighthouse)
10- Kéréon (https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...hare-de-KEREON or https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...9on-Lighthouse)
11- La Jument (https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...e-de-LA-JUMENT or https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...ent-Lighthouse)
12- Créac'h (https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...hare-du-CREACH)
13- Four (https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...OUR-Lighthouse)
14- Toulinguet (https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...hare-MEN-BRIAL)
15- Kador (very similar to Tévennec)

This can help : http://www.festungsbauten.de/D/D_Helgoland.htm

I would like to download the 3D models of the 3D-Warehouse site, but I need the last version of Sketchup, and for this I need Windows 7, which I haven't.

:k_confused:

So, I need your help to convert them into .obj files.

See here for the models : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...&postcount=155. Perhaps you want to improve them. :)

About harbours, I think a better solution is this one :

- I create the map of the harbour (with scale)

- You create a surface (3D model) which has this plan as texture.

- I import this plan into the .dat file, and I can place elements directly on it !


For example, with Brest :

http://i.imgur.com/ggkYn5r.png

mmm... weird, I have a free version of Sketchup 2014 which I run on windows 8.1, but I am pretty sure any recent release of Sketchup should be compatible with Win 64-bit. Do you have a 32-bit OS?

Okay :up:

...but remember that a good conversion takes time: most of those models were done for being seen in Google Earth, not in a video game, and if that wasn't enough, Sketchup's obj exporter is far from perfect :03:

All the lighthouse models listed in your post above are already on my HD,

exception made for:

Phare de l'Île de Sein: the lighthouse whose model is available on 3D Warehouse was built in 1950-51. The previous lighthouse was blown up by German troops on 4 August 1944. This is how it looked like:

http://phares-de-france.pagesperso-o.../sein-1932.jpg http://enezsun.chez-alice.fr/Phares/...iveThymeur.gif


Add to your list the following models that I have also downloaded:

Phare de l'île Noire (Morlaix): https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...-de-lILE-NOIRE
Phare de l'Île Louët (Carantec): https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...Ele-Lou%C3%ABt
Phare de Roscoff (Roscoff): https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...RITTANY-FRANCE
Phare de l'Île de Batz (Île de Batz): https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...e-lILE-DE-BATZ
Phare de Pontusval (Brignogan-Plage): https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...e-de-Pontusval
Phares de l'Île Vierge (Plouguerneau): https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...de-lILE-VIERGE
Phare de Lanvaon (Plouguerneau): https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...are-de-LANVAON
Phare de l'Île Wrac'h (Aber Wrac'h): https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...-de-lILE-WRACH
Tourelle de Corn-Carhai (Portsall): https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...de-CORN-CARHAI
Phare de Trézien (Lampaul-Plouarzel): https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...are-de-TREZIEN
Phare de Nividic (Île d'Ouessant): https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...are-de-NIVIDIC
(N.B: read what Wikipedia says about the [in]operational status of French lighthouses during the German occupation :doh:)
Phare du Stiff (Île d'Ouessant): https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...Phare-du-STIFF
Feu du Mengant (Brest): https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...a-Roche-MENGAM
Tourelle de la Parquette (Camaret-sur-Mer): https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...e-LA-PARQUETTE
Phare du Millier (Bouzec-Cap Sizun): https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...are-du-MILLIER
Feu du Chat (Île de Sein): https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...urelle-du-Chat
Phare de Trescadec (Audierne): https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...e-de-Trescadec
Phare de Penmarc'h (Penmarc'h): https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...re-de-PENMARCH
Phare d'Eckmühl (Penmarc'h): https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...Phare-dECKMUHL or https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...-dEckm%C3%BChl
Feu le Coq (Bénodet): https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...c7a/Feu-LE-COQ
Feu de la Pyramide (Bénodet): https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...de-la-PYRAMIDE
Phare de Sainte-Marine (Combrit): https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...-Sainte-Marine
Phare de l'Île aux Moutons (Fouesnant): https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/mod...LE-AUX-MOUTONS


To finish with Finistère, we miss models of the following lighthouses:

Carantec: Phare de la Lande
Roscoff: Feu postérieur, Tourelle de Ar Chaden and Tourelle de Men-Guen-Bras
Sibiril: Feux de Moguériec
Plouguerneau: Feu postérieur
Aber Wrac'h: Feu de la Palue and Feu de Saint Antoine
Lanildut: Feu de l'Aber-Ildut
Lampaul-Plouarzel: Phare de la pointe de Corsen, Tourelle du Faix and Feu des Plâtresses
Île d'Ouessant: Tourelle de Men-Korn
Île Molène: Feu des Trois Pierres
Le Conquet: Feu de Lochrist and Tourelle de la Grande-Vinotière
Saint-Mathieu: Tourelle des Vieux Moines and Feu auxiliaire de Saint-Mathieu
Brest: Feu de la jetée de l'Ouest, Feu de la jetée du Sud, Feu du môle de l'Est, Feu du Château, Feu de la passe de la rade-abri (jetée Sud), Feu de la passe de la rade-abri (digue Est)
Crozon: Feu de Morgat (Kador)
Douarnenez: Feu de l'île Tristan, Feu du Rosmeur and Feu du Biron
Île de Sein: the already mentioned Phare de Sein and Amer Plas ar Scoul
Pointe du Raz: Phare (sémaphore) du Bec du Raz
Audierne: Phare de Kergadec, Feu de la jetée de Raoulic, Feu de la jetée de Sainte-Evette and Feu de Pors Poulhan
Penmarc'h: Tour à feu de la chapelle Saint Pierre, Feu du Men-Hir, Feu anteriérieur du Chenal de Groumili and Feu postérieur du Chenal de Groumili
Guilvinec: Feu de Lost-Moan, Feu antérieur, Feu postérieur and Feu du môle
Loctudy: Feu de la Perdrix and Feu de Loctudy
Fouesnant: Phare de Penfret
Concarneau: Feu de Pouldohan (Pointe de Beg-Menez), Feu Le Cochon, Feu de Lanriec, Feu de la Croix, Feu de Kériolet and Feu de Beuzec
Névez: Phare de Port Manec'h (Beg ar Vechen)
Trégunc: Feu de la pointe de Trévignon; Feu de la Roche du Dragon
Moëlan-sur-Mer: Feu de Merrien, Feu anteriérieur de Douélan and Feu posteriérieur de Douélan

Sure it can! but... I wish I could read German :doh::D

That's very easy. I can do the work myself or I can explain how to do it in 5 steps, so that you wont have to wait for me every time. What do you prefer? :)

Yes, 32 bit win XP. :oops:

Good find ! :up:

Do you really plan to add all these light marks ??? The list I've done contains the most important lighthouses near Brest. I think it is a good start to see how lighthouses look in game. Then, we will concentrate on another region, as Lorient.

Well, sure I would like to be able to do this myself in Wings ! :yep:

:D

https://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/lighthouse/ :03:

Many of the lighthouses we have listed so far look pretty similar. Let's start with your condensed list first :up:

1. Remember to always put a scale bar in your maps, as you have done for the Brest harbor and to save it in one of the formats accepted by Wings: bmp, gif, jpg, png, tga and tif. You better choose the tga format, so you can use the same file for editing in Wings3D and for importing it in S3D

2. Once your map is ready, start a a new Wings3D projects and -in body selection mode- right click, choose "Image plane" from the drop down menu and navigate to your image.

3. By default newly created image planes are vertical. To make your plane horizontal, select it in body selection mode (to make a selection you can click directly on any element or you can drag your mouse with the rmb pressed until the selection box touches the desired element[s]), right click, choose "Rotate" => "X", press the Tab button on your keyboard to recall the numeric input interface, input -90 (degrees) and confirm.

4. Voilà, at this point you are ready to scale your plane-map to the desired size. For a start, you should create a 3D "ruler": deselect the plane you have just edited (to deselect a previously selected item click on it a second time, drag your mouse with the rmb and Ctrl key until the selection box touches the desired element[s], or simply press the space bar to erase any selection) and -still in body selection mode- create a cube (right click => "Cube").

5. Before you proceed to the next steps you better align yourself to have a perfect top view on the plane and cube you have just created: select "Orthographic view" (by thicking the relative option in the "View" menu, by pressing the "O" shortkey, or by clicking on the appropriate button on top bar's far right) in order to eliminate any perspective distortion, and press the "Y" key on your keyboard to view you scene along the y axis.

6. Time to model your ruler: you already know how to do/undo selections; -in vertex selection mode, select and move the vertices of your cube (right click => "Move" => "X", "Y" or "Z") until one of its sides matches perfectly the bar scale in your map. During this phase be careful not to pan the camera and/or distort inadvertently your map.

7. When you are satisfied, press the space bar to clear your selection, switch to edge selection mode, and select one of edges that you have just made equal in size to your linear scale. You should see its length displayed on the left side of the top info bar.

8. Time to do maths! Let's say that your rudimentary ruler measures 0.135 units and that, according to your scale bar, it should be 500 m long. The equation is:

500 x 0.1 x 100 / 0.135 = 675 %

where 0.1 is the 3D-world units to in-game metres conversion factor

9. We have almost finished: in body selection mode select both geometries (the plane and the ruler), right click, choose "Scale Uniform", press the Tab key and enter whatever number you calculated. A note: in my example the result is an integer, but most probably you will get a decimal number; if that wass the case, remember that Wings 3D only accepts the full stop (.) as decimal mark. Once finished with the scaling, select again the ruler edge for double checking that all went well. Following my example, if we made no mistakes it should measure 500 m x 0.1 units/m = 50 units

10. One last step: when an image is imported into an image plane, Wings automatically adds black pixel to it for fitting it to the nearest square power of 2 (256 x 256, 512 x 512, 1024 x 1024, etc). If you want to keep the original texture instead for used in S3d, you should tweak your plane's UV map. In body selection mode right click and choose "UV mapping"; a new window will pop up. Right click on it and choose "Scale" => "Max Horizontal" and again right click => "Scale" => "Max Vertical". Evein though your map will look messed up in Wings, you are ready to export it: once imported into S3d it will look okay again :up:

:o What a gold mine !

Okay.

May I hope to try "La Vieille" in-game during this week-end ? :D

The "petite" one has been near completion for a few days, but I took a short break from it, sorry :oops:

Before I start importing it, I need to know whether I should set it up as a terrain object or as land unit. You have the last word on it, but I insist on the latter option. The reason is below.

During my short pause from 3D modelling I made some research, and I got confirmation that several French lighthouses were destroyed during the Nazi occupation (due to mining by the Germans or to British bombings) and the big majority of them had their lights dimmed or their lenses removed.
Sure enough, some aspects of these changed lighthouse policies, such as lights being switched on only when German vessels were crossing the waters in front of the main Atlantic ports, are hardly replicable in game, but many others can be easily simulated if lighthouses are treated as units rather than being set as static objects. What do you think?

Before you answer, please read carefully this excellent article that the information above was mostly taken from:

https://www.cairn.info/revue-guerres...4-page-109.htm

I guess you get by in French much better than I do :O::up:

It depends. I prefer as terrain object because it's much easier, but we may add them as land units if you want. Side effects can be cured. This has already been explained by me :

As terrain location :

 

PROS :
+ icon is always visible on the navigation map, it's also possible to add colors to the icon
+ always placed at the same altitude, whatever the depth of the sea
+ no collision spheres to add to the 3D model

CONS:
- 3D model can be hidden underground if placed on land
- not possible to custom the LH with an .eqp file

As land unit :



So, why not as land unit, but for what benefits ?

Tou mean attacks by british airplanes ? Lights not working only during war ? I don't guess what you are thinking about ... please clarify.

What country are you from ? :)