Glad to be of service.
Count on me the next time you post nuisance - or insult others without any reason.

You know... German reliability. :yeah:

Excellent. I will enjoy taunting you.

Well, I'm glad that's settled. :haha:

Ignoring the three pages of namecalling, let me say, it's not just spanking, it's about teaching respect, teaching limits, and not letting children raise themselves.

"Spanking" is just one component, which if done properly, is rarely needed.

Exactly and I think he realized it from the start too.

Things look a bit different when you are the one responsible for and pulling rank on your kids. Kids need direction, boundaries and stability at home. Many shoot you down who have not had the pleasure of experiencing the other side. Neal is dead on. Kids should not be allowed to raise themselves. In this world of being self-absorbed it would seem this is how parenting goes for some. Mental illness left unchecked for whatever reason proves to be detrimental. Enabling with having weapons around the house unchecked and easy access proves to be a poor decision. Believing your kid thinks and acts like an adult is delusional at best.

Agreed.

I think "Andy Taylor" was a perfect roll model for fathers. Seldom did he have to take Opie out behind the shed. If we do it right, then when they start wanting to spread their wings, we can kick them out of the nest ASAP....into a productive life.

Mostly, we must raise our kids correctly in early life, as a monk once said..

"give me your child his first seven years and I will have him for life."

My parents when we where younger would spank us for a serious violation but nothing worse than that. Generally speaking we just respected our parents I guess they where not insanely strict but they had rules like bedtimes do you school work first then your leisure.A teenager even at 18 during the week we where supposed to be in bed by 11:00pm or reading.On the week end you had to be home by 12:00am and we always had to say where we went and if we planned to stay.

My mother used to say if we bad mouthed "I will wash your mouth out with soap" when I was 5 or 6 I called her bluff and she did it with Ivory soap:haha:
Of course it gave me a little rash so she never did it again.

Another time as a teenager I was being extremely disrespectful to my mother and my dad walked into the room and grabbed me by the shoulders and made me sit in a chair and basically told me to shut up and do what my mother asked.He is a very strong man and his hands did leave red marks on my shoulders but I was a fairly strong teenager and he did it to get my attention. I am glad that he did it because it was exactly what I needed at the moment.


I had friends that where not so lucky as myself and they either had lax parents or strict and abusive ones.One friends father was pretty bad once they where playing a Super Nes game and my friend kept winning finally his dad got up and threw the game controller at him and when he tried to run away he got punched in the back of the head and knocked out the father went to prison later for breaking the mothers arm.

Steel head, your upbringing is an exact mirror of mine. Right to the letter. I too had a friend who's parents were drinkers. He as well as his brothers did what the wanted. No one other than the cops to keep them in check. Needless to say the cops spent a great deal of time at their house.

My friends siblings the outcome varied his siblings have not done well except one sister who has done well the rest have in and out of jail, drug abuse. My friend I think he would be in prison right now if he had not met and married his wife.Knowing how he behaved in school his wife is the foundation for him she saved him you could say a Baltimore girl by the way born and raised.My friend he was born there and later moved to Florida and then back to Baltimore after high school.You know Baltimore well enough plenty of trouble to get yourself into there if you have the notion.

Just looked at this mornings copy of The Sun, the headline "KILLER'S CALL OF DUTY OBSESSION" with such gems as this from a plumber that went into Adams basement.

and

Then, as if the giant sub-headline on the insert of "BLACK OPS BUNKER" wasn't good enough, they also have "CALL OF DUTY IN RAMPAGES LINK" noting that Anders Breivik and Mohammed Merah also played Call of Duty: Modern Warfare.

Less exciting for The Sun (because there isn't a video game of it presumably) is the news that the maniac who knifed 23 children in China claims to have done so because of the Mayan 'end of the world prophecy'.


It's not quite "BAN THESE SICK GAMES" Daily Mail level, but it's hyping up that way...but what else do you expect from the Murdoch media empire... :/\\!!

So there you have it folks, if you live in a basement, and you've played a violent video game then you're automatically entitled to become a raging psychopath! :yep:

Yes but is the whole CP thing just a red herring?
After all the initial claims were not even true so trying to build on that is pretty much a no go plus even if it were true it is so easy to find examples which show it to be nonsense.
As for what America is doing wrong, thats the same as with any country, there are so many different factors involved there is no easily identifiable single problem or solution.

Yes but those example involve totalitarian regimes and other very unsavoury practices which themselves modify behavior.
What you would need for a measure is other countries which allow corporal punishment in the same manner as the US does, there is a large pile of countries to choose in that category but none seem to have the same shooter problem.
That does suggest that the whole CP thing is irrelevant.

A circus for the public eh? old as time isn't it.
So..
Hang em ...draw a crowd. flog them..draw a crowd ...guillotine draw a crowd, stone them ...draw a crowd, put them in stocks.... draw a crowd...but did any of them actually work in really cutting crime.
String em up in the town square for stealing a sheep, you still string up another for the same offence the next week and the next week and the next week....

Exactly!

Done properly or not, spanking/physical punishment is never needed. It is, for many, an option but that does not justify it. By reading this thread it appears that folks from earlier generations have much less problems with this methods, while younger folks like me turn green when even thinking of it.

Everyone has its opinion, thats fine. I just want to say that theres a reason why physical punishment is against the law nowadays (in the western countries). It is because ppl who can tell (pychologists, educational theorists, ...) know about the possible consequences and dangers.

Not much more to say about that, my point is clear I guess. :salute:

Yes, having to resort to physical violence on your kids is a sign of failure on your part and the desperation that comes with that failure.
If you havn't been able to teach respect, teach limits without resorting to beating the brats you failed to already teach respect and teach limits to then what makes you think violence is the solution for your failures.

I know plenty of people who do spank or worse, yet their kids are still horrible little bastards and no amout of beating will ever change them from being the horrible little bastards they were made into, it may put on small mask on it on occasion but behind it they remain the little brats their parents made them into by not firmly setting lines that they then kept to themselves.

But physical punishment is not against the law in most countries or most western countries

Very well said, that´s what I tried to deliver, thanks! :)


Wow, really? Honestly I assumed it is. I will search for some data on this, that´s really interesting - and disappointing :-?