Then I apologize to AVG for doubting him:salute:. I am rather used to being attacked in the process of defending the protestors. I did give the benefit of the doubt and gave my rational answer. I don't mean to pee on anyones shoes here.

Not at all. There are some who will do that, but most of us deal well with disagreement and heated debates. Not all, to be sure, but we try to keep it clean and above board. :sunny:

[edit] No matter how I word that it still sounds like some kind of warning. It's not. It's just an explanation.

I understand, you were just letting me know his character because I was unsure. I didn't take it bad.:DL

I know I been mean at times on this thread, but this protest hits close to home. I know alot of these guys personally and the things that are said by the media, and neutral bystanders is sometimes so false, off base and at times partisan driven i have to respond.

It's not hate, it's passion!:rock::D

At any rate, what is the ultimate goal of the protesters? There is no organization here. What is the overall message? I would think protesting in front of the White House would be a better place to state their case.

Chris a Troll?

Never thought he was tall enough :hmmm:

:O:

I think they are directing their malice towards the culprits.

I completely agree. Marching on the white house and especially congress/senate would make a larger impact.

With it spreading to other cities it shows that the discontent is widespread, and not just suburban middle class spoiled white kids looking for their version of the Vietnam protest (draft dodging punks, huge difference)

Maybe in time it will catch political fire. If not the citizens will put down the sign and pick up the pitchforks...It is what it is, history has proven you can only pull on the populace so much before it snaps back like a rubber band.

On a side note everytime one of them scream Ron Paul into a camera they delegitamize (sp?) the movement.....:damn:

The banks, DC, Righty or Lefty? I suspect a few do not have a clue.

Of course it will. Overall, I do not think it will help their perceived cause.

Again, showing discontent in other cities other than DC is not productive. I don't recall anyone likening these protesters to those during the Vietnam era. They look more like Grateful Dead concert goers.

I think in time the media will stop running coverage. To me, this movement, as it were, has no substance. It is disorganized discontent and sometime's known as a riot.

Occupy Iowa
 

32 protestors were arrested in front of the capital building in Des Moines last night. Was to be expected; they were given until 11pm to vacate the park.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20111010/NEWS/310100027/Protesters-arrested-at-Occupy-Iowa-event?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Frontpage

They need a plan, bro! :haha:

Exactly. It really reminds me of the scene in Forrest Gump were Gump is running. He does not know why he is running. He is just running. People ask him what he is running for but he does not have a answer.

Yeah, I can see that. :yep:

The masses followed, only to disband in disappointment after Gump quit and went home.

http://www.retrojunk.com/img/art-images/lemmings1.jpg

Or how about Charlie from "Flowers for Algernon' Cuz he is stupid and does dumb stuff we can laugh at.

It sure is funny. I love it, you haven't been raped hard enough by these American banks who are given a blank check from the fed.

Which inflates the USD and makes oil, food and other "futures" more expensive. As you know they are traded in USD, and when our Fed prints it affects the world....So continue laughing from the outside, but we will need something to do with all this military equipment when we do fall....

I love when people don't know the full impact of the behaviour of the people they shill for.

Go ahead, they are all retards now, forest gump, the guy from "Of Mice and Men" and for good measure Charly from "Flowers for Algernon". Makes your arguments really valid.

It's not even satire, because satire is based on truths.

Since you seem to be all for the protest help me to understand what it's about?

Culprits? By that do you mean the ones who printed the trillions or the ones who received it?

Huge difference? What difference do you see?

Discontent? Explain what discontent they have and with whom?

I mean that's the issue I have with someone inciting others to protest. Is they don't have an answer or use vague reasons like "it's 'us'in agin them'in". The people are there but like the bunch following Gump I get this sense nobody knows why. All I can gather from someone who said he was there is they are organized socialists, Ron Paul supporters, students gathering to make love and not war, people against the FED but don't know what the Fed does and groups of grown adults repeating everything the main speaker says like we did trying annoy our parents when we were five years old.

So if you could clarify for me when that person or group (whomever it maybe) does decide to take the reigns and lead who is it you would like to see do this and why?

I will say that I think I know more what they want they they do. It is a developing movement. There was interviews at early tea party rallies and they were the same scatterbrained bunch (just heavily armed in public rallies) It was put together via twitter and facebook. Not George Soros....

My beef is the privatization of profits, and the socialization of losses.
The fact that Lobbyists can influence policy, cuts the 99% out of the legislation process. The American government is based on the people.

It would have been cheaper to give every American A check for 10k USD, it would have stimulated instant spending, spurring our dead economy instantly...

I know it's expensive, would cost almost a trillion dollars....

It's what they gave to the banks, on top of nearly interest free loans for them to loan (except they didn't, they played the stock market, have to get it over 10k) The Federal reserve is depleting our currency, which as I said above, alot of commodities are traded in USD.

It don't affect you in Britain/France/Russia/even blossoming Germany...Yes it does... Especially if you keep doing what we did and bailing out bad capitalism..


The rules of capitalism are simple. You either suceed or go out of business. Yet we saved them, and they gave nothing back.

Unemployment went up just as the capital the the corporations are sitting on went up. They get rich here, then ship it overseas for a quarter of the wages.

Make the rest feel "happy they have a crap job" and know they can be replaced by someone just as desperate to feed their family....

See it yet? Big business owns our government. Citizens United Decision. I said that before too.

They want to be represented, same reasons we knocked over Britain for, a few hundred years ago.
They want a voice. They want to be equal to moneyed interest.

They don't want whats yours, they just don't want to give what little they have to the few who have more than they can use in 5 lifetimes.

Fair request, or is that "communist" or "retarded"?

They just want to be heard, to be human. Not to be minimized because they don't have a lobby, or a political action commitee(PAC)

So why do you hate these people? (college graduates who can't find jobs, retired folks, war veterans, laborers, secretaries)

I've deliberately stayed away from this thread as I could see it being bad for my blood pressure. :)

So here's my one and only foray.

If you think this begins or ends with the banks, bankers, or other wall street types, you are not digging deeply enough and are engaging in class warfare.

Just keep following the money both up and down the chain. And remember, there are multiple chains. Wall Street was not the only recipient of bail out funds.

You'll see it begins and ends in Washington. Though the goals for those responsible are almost as diverse as those of the OWS crowd today, it all comes down to greed for power, not money.

Despite the altruistic ideals of your friends, those protesting in NYC are simply dancing to the fiddles played by the nation's power brokers.