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Originally Posted by Castout (Post 1664257)

Any one man who claims he or she is enlightened and says that there is no God is either a liar and or a fool.

Why wouldn't the reverse be true also? Any one who claims he or she is enlightened and says that there is a god is either a liar and or a fool.

What evidence supports one hypothesis and refutes the other?

Can both hypotheses be true? Can both be false?

Can there be a third hypotheses that refutes both?

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Originally Posted by Castout (Post 1664265)

You assumed human experience is needed to know UNIVERSAL God. It takes a divine experience from the part of God to know God. No man can reach God. You don't get to God, God get to you.

I'm not claiming to be a spokesperson and never did. So where did you take that weird conclusion from. You assumed too much. And as a witness I'm obligated to tell anyone my testimony for reason I've stated above.

My own version of God huh so you judged me based on what? based on the words I've written? To prove have I not written that I don't intend what I wrote to convince anyone and for the sole purpose of what I've stated instead. You passed a judgment on me. Okay.

I assumed you appointed yourself to be the judge of another person experience. Well since everybody can do whatever they wish I can't possibly object so I must accept your judgement. I think it is unwise and false but I must accept it nonetheless. After all what has been given cannot be taken back.

Hey Castout you have real talent.
Instead of proving your point in this thread you should go straight for the book as such blessed man you are.
It does not seem that any one will convince you but you convinced many......

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Originally Posted by Castout (Post 1664265)

You assumed human experience is needed to know UNIVERSAL God. It takes a divine experience from the part of God to know God. No man can reach God. You don't get to God, God get to you.

So, God chooses who to reveal himself to and I cannot, on my own, gain direct knowledge of him?

Yet earlier you say:

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Originally Posted by Castout (Post 1664257)

Any one man who... says that there is no God is either a liar and or a fool.

So, you call me a liar and a fool for not knowing God, knowledge that can only come from God.

Therefore, I am a fool for God choosing for me not to believe in him?

If God is omniscient and omnipotent, he knows what evidence would convince me, and he has the power to show it to me. Therefore, the fact that he has not done so would be evidence that he wishes for me to not believe in him.

That's why personal testimony and anecdotal evidence make poor tools for converting people.

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Originally Posted by razark (Post 1664394)

If God is omniscient and omnipotent, he knows what evidence would convince me, and he has the power to show it to me. Therefore, the fact that he has not done so would be evidence that he wishes for me to not believe in him.

That's why personal testimony and anecdotal evidence make poor tools for converting people.

No self respecting religious figure(Rabi or Priest) will claim such a thing now days.
Its more your choice to turn to god by your free will.
Its up to you how you live your life but usually there some minimal requirements.
At the end you are judged not necessary by the strict religious life you had and what strict rules you followed.
its more the over roll how you did as human being.
Actually this solves all the Almighty free will issue...but well the believing is up to you.
No hard convincing.