Obama should realise now another document where underneath layer leaves letters that add to word "muslim" or "communism" and keep smiling.
It doesn't matter what the evidence people simply don't like to touch and associate themselves with issues like that because it makes them look stupid and most importantly unintelligent-PC Factor vs O'Rally Factor.
O'Rally as much as he may have some good points looks like old punk fart that STFU every body that says somthing he dont like.
He looks Da Man though.
GB common this guy would be star in ME.
Even if he has some very sober view of some issues the packaging is bad and other stuff too scary but not impossible...or crazy.

Look at Obama-the more conservatives wave with this crap the more bold and charismatic speeches he gives.
How great and inteligent nation you are and how all will be sunny and well.
He is looking smart but maybe naive while right wing is looking bully stupid.
Whom would you vote for?
If economy doesn't crash or something other happens Obama can keep smiling.
Calling him socialist?
People live very good live in socialist countries like Sweden for example.
Its not cold war any more....find new strategy or die.


I don't really know much about American politics but that's how it looks from outside.

The birth announcements are compelling evidence, but certainly not conclusive. Those type of registrations are not verified in any way, someone simply needs to mail a form to the state health dept. I'm not suggesting that Papa Obama did that with an eye on the White House in 1961, but he or his wife may have been thinking about the issue of citizenship.

I agree 100% with the simplest scenario makes the most sense, I really don't think Obama was born in Kenya (and even if he was, with an American mother, he would still be a US citizen, right?). His mother moved around a lot but is there any evidence she went to Kenya around 1960-61?

All that aside, the delay over producing a legit birth certificate was stupid. Why bother lending any "credibility" (illusory or real) to the claims by responding at all? Well, if you can debunk some crazy with ease, it's dumb not to. Complicating the situation is Obama's decision to spend sums estimated in the hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees to fight releasing a state birth certificate that could put to rest the questions.


This suspicious birth certificate with its edits even caught my attention, and until now I never paid any attention to the birthers and the true believers.

From what I've read (and I don't remember where right now), the information was sent to the papers directly from the hospital. The parents didn't have anything to do with it.

Well, I did say it came from the state. Wonder where the state got the information....? :hmmm:

I can't help but think that throughout this whole thing Obama has acted suspiciously. Like Neal said if you can easily debunk something you do it. You certainly DON'T spend hundreds of thousands of dollars stonewalling it only to just reverse course years later because some chump who has absolutely no chance at winning his parties nomination is trying to make political hay with the issue.

Look, i'm only semi-computer literate, so when i saw that you tube vid linked by Neal, i was Zomg it's been tampered with. I've made stuff with photoshop and recognise layer after layer as a sign of handiwork.

But i don't know all that much.

This you tube posted by Penguin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Heci4OQrlYM

this shows very clearly that one tiny lack of foresight by th people scanning the document accounts for all of the layers.

that is when scanned with the full version of Adobe Acrobat, there is a small checkbox for Make Searchable(Run OCR). This obviously is a useful feature in many cases. But the process of running OCR (optical character recognition) lifts words and characters it recognizes, leaving the rest.

This can obviously account for the layers phenomenon.

Close but no banana.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwlWgMTCp8w

no, it's not a mystery.

To be able to manipulate written context for example.
You sort of cant do that with jpeg.
It could be posted this way by default or for fun(which is conspiracy theory by itself)

very valid question, why do you think the document is tampered with at all?

ehm, sorry to burst your bubble, but it isn't. It's layered as posted because of the version of Adobe Acrobat, and it's the latest version of Acrobat because it's an offical government business.
I mean, even a STUDENT like me can get the FULL, LEGAL, LATEST version of Acrobat for FREE from my university. I hope you don't seriously believe the white house can't afford what the average European university can?

ehm, no, they aren't:doh:

Well...maybe he did not want to edit it.
Simply when you want to turn a fax or or any sort of scanned document into let say MS office editable document(for convenience)you have to use some sort of OCR .

just for fun
It just can be that Obama to make sure that no body will find out that his BC was forged stored it in OCR format because it naturally looks forged but it can be explained by simple office technicality.

ooh you are mischievous !:haha: