You may well be right :DL


:damn::damn::damn:

Worked at Taranto - and gave the Japanese all the ideas they needed for a little inlet in Oahu, too.

... during the Channel Dash... not so much...

So its time to crunch the numbers because they never lie when it comes to basic aerodynamics.

F-14 vs F-15 number crunching showdown.

Source wikipedia

Specifications (F-15C Eagle)

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Front view of an F-15C with the conformal FAST PACK fuel tanks on the trailers


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F-15A Eagle's weapon loadout, which is similar to F-15C's config.


Data from USAF fact sheet,[93] Jane's All the World's Aircraft[94] Combat Legend, F-15 Eagle and Strike Eagle[95]
General characteristics

• Crew: 1
• Length: 63 ft 9 in (19.43 m)
• Wingspan: 42 ft 10 in (13.05 m)
• Height: 18 ft 6 in (5.63 m)
• Wing area: 608 ft² (56.5 m²)
• Airfoil: NACA 64A006.6 root, NACA 64A203 tip
• Empty weight: 28,000 lb (12,700 kg)
• Loaded weight: 44,500 lb (20,200 kg)
• Max takeoff weight: 68,000 lb (30,845 kg)
• Powerplant: 2× Pratt & Whitney F100-100 or -220 afterburning turbofans
  • Dry thrust: 17,450 lbf (77.62 kN) each
  • Thrust with afterburner: 25,000 lbf for -220 (111.2 kN for -220) each

Performance

• Maximum speed:
  • High altitude: Mach 2.5+ (1,650+ mph, 2,660+ km/h)
  • Low altitude: Mach 1.2 (900 mph, 1,450 km/h)
• Combat radius: 1,061 nmi (1,222 mi, 1,967 km) for interdiction mission
• Ferry range: 3,450 mi (3,000 nmi, 5,550 km) with conformal fuel tanks and three external fuel tanks
• Service ceiling: 65,000 ft (20,000 m)
• Rate of climb: >50,000 ft/min (254 m/s)
• Wing loading: 73.1 lb/ft² (358 kg/m²)
• Thrust/weight: 1.12 (-220)

Armament

• Guns: 1× 20 mm (0.787 in) M61 Vulcan 6-barreled gatling cannon, 940 rounds
• Hardpoints: Total 11 (not including CFTs): two under-wing (each with additional two missile launch rails), four under-fuselage (for semi-recessed carriage of AIM-7 Sparrows) and a single centerline pylon station, optional fuselage pylons (which may include conformal fuel tanks, known initially as FAST packs (Fuel And Sensor Tactical) for use on the C model) with a capacity of 16,000 lb (7,300 kg) and provisions to carry combinations of:
  • Missiles:
    • AIM-7 Sparrow
    • AIM-120 AMRAAM
    • AIM-9 Sidewinder
  • Other:
    • up to 3× 600 US gallons (2,300 L) external drop tanks for ferry flight or extended range/loitering time.
    • MXU-648 Cargo/Travel Pod - to carry personal belongings, and small pieces of maintenance equipment.[67]

Avionics

• Radar:
  • Raytheon AN/APG-63 or AN/APG-70[96] (Note: Although several F-15C aircraft were produced with APG-70 radar, all have been retrofitted to the AN/APG-63(V)1 configuration.) or
  • Raytheon AN/APG-63(V)1 or
  • Raytheon AN/APG-63(V)2 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) or
  • Raytheon AN/APG-63(V)3 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) (Note: Both active AF and ANG F-15Cs will receive another (up to) 48 V3 units between 2009-2015, over the existing 19 aircraft.)[97]
  • Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System[97]
• Countermeasures:
  • Northrop Grumman Electronic Systems AN/ALQ-131 electronic countermeasures pod[98]
  • Hazeltine AN/APX-76 or Raytheon AN/APX-119 Identify Friend/Foe (IFF) interrogator[99]
  • Magnavox AN/ALQ-128 Electronic Warfare Warning Set (EWWS) - part of Tactical Electronic Warfare Systems (TEWS)[98]
  • Loral AN/ALR-56 Radar warning receivers (RWR) - part of TEWS[100]
  • Northrop Grumman Electronic Systems ALQ-135 Internal Countermeasures System (ICS) - part of TEWS[98]
  • Marconi AN/ALE-45 Chaff/Flares dispenser system - part of
  • TEWS[101]

Specifications (F-14D)

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F-14A, VF 111 "Sundowners" (USS Carl Vinson)


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An F-14D launches an AIM-7 Sparrow. A GBU-24 Paveway III can also be seen being carried.


Data from U.S. Navy file,[80] Spick,[28] M.A.T.S.[81]
General characteristics

• Crew: 2 (Pilot and Radar Intercept Officer)
• Length: 62 ft 9 in (19.1 m)
• Wingspan:
  • Spread: 64 ft (19.55 m)
  • Swept: 38 ft (11.58 m)
• Height: 16 ft (4.88 m)
• Wing area: 565 ft² (54.5 m²)
• Airfoil: NACA 64A209.65 mod root, 64A208.91 mod tip
• Empty weight: 43,735 lb (19,838 kg)
• Loaded weight: 61,000 lb (27,700 kg)
• Max takeoff weight: 74,350 lb (33,720 kg)
• Powerplant: 2× General Electric F110-GE-400 afterburning turbofans
  • Dry thrust: 13,810 lbf (61.4 kN) each
  • Thrust with afterburner: 27,800 lbf (123.7 kN) each
• Maximum fuel capacity: 16,200 lb internal; 20,000 lb with 2x 267 gallon external tanks[28]

Performance

• Maximum speed: Mach 2.34 (1,544 mph, 2,485 km/h) at high altitude
• Combat radius: 500 nmi (575 mi, 926 km)
• Ferry range: 1,600 nmi (1,840 mi, 2,960 km)
• Service ceiling: 50,000 ft (15,200 m)
• Rate of climb: >45,000 ft/min (229 m/s)
• Wing loading: 113.4 lb/ft² (553.9 kg/m²)
• Thrust/weight: 0.91

Armament

• Guns: 1× 20 mm (0.787 in) M61 Vulcan 6-barreled gatling cannon, with 675 rounds
• Hardpoints: 10 total: 6× under-fuselage, 2× under nacelles and 2× on wing gloves[82][N 2] with a capacity of 14,500 lb (6,600 kg) of ordnance and fuel tanks[34]
• Missiles:
  • Air-to-air missiles: AIM-54 Phoenix, AIM-7 Sparrow, AIM-9 Sidewinder
• Loading configurations:
  • 2× AIM-9 + 6× AIM-54 (Rarely used due to weight stress on airframe)
  • 2× AIM-9 + 2× AIM-54 + 3× AIM-7 (Most common load during Cold War era)
  • 2× AIM-9 + 4× AIM-54 + 2× AIM-7
  • 2× AIM-9 + 6× AIM-7
  • 4× AIM-9 + 4× AIM-54
  • 4× AIM-9 + 4× AIM-7
• Bombs:
  • JDAM Precision-guided munition (PGMs)
  • Paveway series of Laser guided bombs
  • Mk 80 series of unguided iron bombs
  • Mk 20 Rockeye II
• Others:
  • Tactical Airborne Reconnaissance Pod System (TARPS)
  • LANTIRN targeting pod
  • 2× 267 USgal (1,010 l; 222 imp gal) drop tanks for extended range/loitering time

Avionics

• Hughes AN/APG-71 radar
• AN/ASN-130 INS, IRST, TCS
• Remotely Operated Video Enhanced Receiver (ROVER) upgrade

More on these two soon!:salute:

How much hooch will fit in there? :D

Quite a bit, IIRC it started life as a 300 gal fuel tank. :hmmm:

In a pinch they can also be used to transport people... :O:

Those who dare... :DL

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/pict...pictureid=3389

How cool is that :rock::DL

I've heard of that too, the chap who owns "Miss Demeanour'" or the 'Zoom lolly' as it's also known, keeps his change of clothes and any overnight gear in one of his tanks. I presume though that a balancing act has to be done with the weight in the tanks or the aircraft would develop a roll to port or starboard.

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^ Miss Demeanour

Indulging in Dr.-Strangelove-ian fantasies has never been cooler.:DL

Or it could just trim the aircraft to compensate.

....

Shaddup... :O:

(I always forget about trim... :damn:)

Regarding the F-14 vs F-15 argument I found that the wing loading for the F-14 is as follows

F-14A 92 pounds per square foot
F-14A+\B 94
F-14D 96

That is an impressively low wing loading for an aircraft its size
and goes along way to explain its agility in a knife fight.

I cant find data for the F-15!:damn:

Anybody?

Also I wanted to point out that allot of the F-14's reputation for being a dog comes from its flight restrictions imposed on it by the navy. Apparently those first generation engines on the A model were famous for compressor stalls at high alpha flight and with the wide spacing it could induce a flat spin (Top Gun style) So the aircrafts pilots were limited for safety's sake in high alpha flight.

With the A+ B and D models the restrictions were removed. Now the problem with that is that the A+ B and D models combined still only made up 20% of all Tomcats! Most were poor engined A models up to the end.

I found:
"The wing loading value is around 56 pounds per square foot of effective lifting surface." for the F-15E
http://www.f-15e.info/joomla/en/tech...frame/64-wings

But,
"The F-15 wing was designed to be optimal for dogfighting at transonic and high subsonic speeds"

...giving the low speed maneuvering edge to the F-14.

It was right there in the middle of all the crap you copied-and-pasted. Didn't you even read it?

Wing loading: 73.1 lb/ft² (358 kg/m²)