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AVGWarhawk 05-14-07 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus
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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk
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If you must hatch up this arbitary ruleset, for christ sakes keep it simple.

Post a damn permissions in your readme (you may, or may not), honor the permissions you find in a readme, and don't plagurise, how hard is that? Anything beyond that, is just one big slippery slope.

Exactly, a simple statment asking that permission be granted to tool around with anothers creation.


Just to clarify, some example "permission Satements:

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Permissions:
"You may use any porition of this mod, provided you cite your source and credit the orginal work"
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Permissions:
"You may NOT use any porition of this mod, without my expressed permission"
Find a mod you like? Check the readme, what does it say? Its kind of hard to subvert that because its right there in black and white. It puts the responsbility of protection upon the modder, and doesnt ramrod this list of ethics down the communiitys throat that sound alot like directions for the holy hand grenade of antioch.


Above and beyond some other posts here, it simply boils down to the honor system. Although we all know some do not honor the honor system, these are the folks that have to live with themselves in the end. In essence, I do not see a way to police this at all. One must understand that the mods are created for all to use. The modders created them in good faith that these will be used free of charge as posted (freeware). This person must know that the mods will be tweeked and edited to the users liking. So, if the new mod is put up as someone elses personal work and it is not, then this person, when proved lifting a mod, becomes suspect to all his dealings thereafter. Again, if there is a problem, the two involved should work it out via email or PM.

Ducimus 05-14-07 08:05 PM

Well, if you want to boil the fat away, i dont know how you can realistically expect to enforce any set of rules. If anything what i suggested is much easier to enforce then the holy handgrenade suggestion. Seriously , Did thoust ask? Did thout send an email, did thoust wait 90 days? etc etc etc etc.

But your right, no matter what system his hodged podged out of this, it will always boil down to the honor system.

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Again, if there is a problem, the two involved should work it out via email or PM.
If thats the case, why is this thread here? Seems to me its orginated from a private matter, and is just chasing its own tail. Regardless if some rules or "ethics" come out of this to be imposed, i honestly dont expect anything around here to change one much, if at all. How many real incidents have existed on subim? Im only aware of 3. Its not like making some arbitary rules is going to change anything.

I know one thing, if i have to constantly worry about "intellecutal copyright" issues, like some mod gestapo is looking over my shoulder, ill quit. Its just not worth the headache or drama.

AVGWarhawk 05-14-07 08:18 PM

OK ladies and gentlemen, I have 8 pages of thread basically going no place and fast....I have read the thread over and a central theme is making itself present. It looks like this theme has gone on for years. This theme looks to contain less than a handful of people who wish to air out past indifferences. The people know who I'm talking about. I do not believe these indifferences will be cleared up in this thread nor any to follow.

Basically, these created mods are set up as freeware. The copywrite is implied but not enforcable. It can not be enforced as far as I can see, this includes enforcable by local, state or international law. All that is asked is anyone swiping all or bits and pieces need to recognize the originator. For those that do, excellent and a fine upstanding member of modding community. For you will gain respect from the modders and the community in general. For those that do not, can live with themselve knowing they are only kidding themselves and probably do with other things in their lives. For those that look to uphold an ethic, bear in mind some will swipe your creations and put it out there like it is their own. It is just the nature of the beast.

AVGWarhawk 05-14-07 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus
Well, if you want to boil the fat away, i dont know how you can realistically expect to enforce any set of rules. If anything what i suggested is much easier to enforce then the holy handgrenade suggestion. Seriously , Did thoust ask? Did thout send an email, did thoust wait 90 days? etc etc etc etc.

But your right, no matter what system his hodged podged out of this, it will always boil down to the honor system.

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Again, if there is a problem, the two involved should work it out via email or PM.
If thats the case, why is this thread here? Seems to me its orginated from a private matter, and is just chasing its own tail. Regardless if some rules or "ethics" come out of this to be imposed, i honestly dont expect anything around here to change one much, if at all. How many real incidents have existed on subim? Im only aware of 3. Its not like making some arbitary rules is going to change anything.

I know one thing, if i have to constantly worry about "intellecutal copyright" issues, like some mod gestapo is looking over my shoulder, ill quit. Its just not worth the headache or drama.


And to this from Ducimus who I hold in high regard and happen to agree with him close this thread. It is looking to be a personal matter as I stated as a central theme in the thread.

Please all read my post prior to this.


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