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Fish 04-16-07 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Puster Bill
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Originally Posted by Fish
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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady
[ Cause: massive breakdown in the moral fabric of society.

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Most americans tell moral in europe (Amsterdam) is much lower, then why don't we have such shootings overhere?

Nations that have a low homicide rate tend to have a high suicide rate, and vice-versa. When you add the two together, calling it, say, 'intentional death', it tends to even out.

There are some exceptions, obviously, and it isn't a perfect correlation, but interesting nonetheless.

NETHERLANDS male 13.0, female 6.3
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA male 17.6, female 4.1 figures from '99


more recent:
US. 2002 male 17.6 female 4.1
The Netherlands.2003 male 12.7 female 5.9
So, no.



http://www.who.int/mental_health/pre...iciderates/en/

Heibges 04-16-07 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ASWnut101
Yes, it changes it from someone robbing your house to that someone leaving the house, either to the hospital or in a body bag.

It depends if it's a B&E, or a B&E After Dark.

04-16-07 03:26 PM

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Heibges 04-16-07 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
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Originally Posted by micky1up
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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
Sad.

If more people were armed though, this guy would have been dropped before he could do this kind of damage.


america couldnt get more armed if it tried or were you being sarcastic

Not many are armed in that side of the country. Anyway, the problem is, you cannot carry a concealed pistol onto a school campus, so that is where these crazies go - a place where they will not be fired back upon. Ever notice that? Sounds premeditated to me just with the location selection.

-S

PS. Yes you can be more armed - try Canada. More private guns in Canada than the US last I heard.

PPS. With so many dead, I am guessing he used a shotgun loaded with buckshot.

Candada is more armed, and has higher unemployment yet fewer gun crimes.

He used a 9mm Pistol and a .22 Caliber Pistol.

SUBMAN1 04-16-07 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Heibges
Candada is more armed, and has higher unemployment yet fewer fun crimes...

Probably since it has 10% the population of the US. I think from a genetic perspective, there is a certain # of genetically whacked people out of a million that would be predisposed for such a crime. Having 10% the population means I expect a 90% less whacko's doing some odd crime like this in Canada. Add in probably less stress in Canada (I think the US has got to be the most stressed out country to live in), and that further reduces trigger mechanisms for whacked people to do this kind of thing. Just some of my theories is all, or should I call them hypothesis?

-S

Heibges 04-16-07 03:36 PM

Regular Breaking & Entering is only a misdemeanor.

But Breaking & Entering After Dark is a felony.

U-533 04-16-07 03:57 PM

Well... I still have not heard a convincing enough opinion from anyone to make me think about giving up my weapons...

All I keep hearing is "If there were no guns no one would get shot..."

This is so true...

But then I would use a Spear or Sword or Knife, Rocks, Paper, Scissors...My hands... something ....

So... I guess if there were none of the above I could use my teeth...:hmm:

Hey! You ... umm ... Individuals... that wanna ban guns... answer this, IF YOU CAN,

Where does the banning of weapons stop?

Come on ... If your so smart ... Cause everything can be used as a weapon ...

And don't cop out with the ''We just want guns banned" ... That jive went out the window with the baby and the bath water y'all want to throw away ...

SO???

I shall take your non-response to this as you have seen my light and will purchase a weapon for self defense... and you will argue against Gun Control and the ban of guns of any kind on these forums ...

Remember Santa is watching and making a list...:o

micky1up 04-16-07 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
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Originally Posted by micky1up
i think after today the arguement that having more guns controls the guncrimes is now pardon the pun shot a resounding no

I'd have to say a resounding yes. Obviously the gov can't protect me in time to stop me, or 30 other of my fellow man from being done in by some crazy, so your answer must be based on emotion, not logic.

-S


yes i see your point do you see mine the campus had a police force the town had a police force all the civilains around had guns and yet this man went on a 2 hr rampage all those guns and still 35 dead guns cant control gun crime if it could how come this happens with alarming regularity in your country schools workplaces nowhere is safe no matter how many guns

micky1up 04-16-07 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by U-533
Well... I still have not heard a convincing enough opinion from anyone to make me think about giving up my weapons...

All I keep hearing is "If there were no guns no one would get shot..."

This is so true...

But then I would use a Spear or Sword or Knife, Rocks, Paper, Scissors...My hands... something ....

So... I guess if there were none of the above I could use my teeth...:hmm:

Hey! You ... umm ... Individuals... that wanna ban guns... answer this, IF YOU CAN,

Where does the banning of weapons stop?

Come on ... If your so smart ... Cause everything can be used as a weapon ...

And don't cop out with the ''We just want guns banned" ... That jive went out the window with the baby and the bath water y'all want to throw away ...

SO???

I shall take your non-response to this as you have seen my light and will purchase a weapon for self defense... and you will argue against Gun Control and the ban of guns of any kind on these forums ...

Remember Santa is watching and making a list...:o

yes but its hard for a nut to kill 35 peope with a knife where as its easy for a nut to load up as much ammo he can and kill 35 people

micky1up 04-16-07 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
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Originally Posted by Heibges
Candada is more armed, and has higher unemployment yet fewer fun crimes...

Probably since it has 10% the population of the US. I think from a genetic perspective, there is a certain # of genetically whacked people out of a million that would be predisposed for such a crime. Having 10% the population means I expect a 90% less whacko's doing some odd crime like this in Canada. Add in probably less stress in Canada (I think the US has got to be the most stressed out country to live in), and that further reduces trigger mechanisms for whacked people to do this kind of thing. Just some of my theories is all, or should I call them hypothesis?

-S

crap we are talking percentages here dusent matter how many people you have ythat point has been proven the have a lesser percentage mind you there culture isnt as violent as the US so theres another factor

Skybird 04-16-07 04:22 PM

With waterpistols this wouldn't have happened.

U-533 04-16-07 04:28 PM

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yes but its hard for a nut to kill 35 peope with a knife where as its easy for a nut to load up as much ammo he can and kill 35 people
Its easy to kill 35 people with a knife ...

As far as loading up ammo and to kill 35 people ...It depends what your 'ammo' is ...

There once was a Giant that was killed with one stone... The cat that did the killing had 4 more stones in his pocket for the 4 brothers of the Giant...


Again don't evade the question...

SUBMAN1 04-16-07 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by micky1up
yes i see your point do you see mine the campus had a police force the town had a police force all the civilains around had guns and yet this man went on a 2 hr rampage all those guns and still 35 dead guns cant control gun crime if it could how come this happens with alarming regularity in your country schools workplaces nowhere is safe no matter how many guns

I think you are still way too emotional. It has been stated at least 2 times (probably more) that guns are not allowed on campus. Period. So there were no guns to take this guy down. Period.

Another thing - Most employers do not allow guns either.

Other schools do not allow guns either - no guns are allowed on public school property.

Begining to see the big picture yet? Everywhere these big rampages happen are places that the rampager has thought out before hand that he won't have any return fire. The few places I can think that would have allowed guns, and the victims were indivduals that think like you - easy targets.

-S

PS. You can put a cop on every corner (not gonna happen), and they still could not control something like this.

SUBMAN1 04-16-07 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by micky1up
yes but its hard for a nut to kill 35 peope with a knife where as its easy for a nut to load up as much ammo he can and kill 35 people

Not at all hard with a knife. That is why they tried to ban selling even steak knifes in the UK.

-S

04-16-07 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird
With waterpistols this wouldn't have happened.

That was helpful. Thank You.


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