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Jimbuna 07-18-21 12:23 PM

Lewis Hamilton fought back from a 10-second penalty for a crash with title rival Max Verstappen to pass Ferrari's Charles Leclerc for a dramatic victory in the British Grand Prix.

Hamilton was blamed for a collision with Verstappen's Red Bull at Copse corner on the first lap of the race, which led to the Dutchman crashing out.

Verstappen, 23, was taken to hospital for precautionary tests after the accident while Hamilton set about trying to win the race.

The Grand Prix was stopped after the incident with Leclerc in the lead from Hamilton and the Ferrari driver held that position until two laps from the end, when the Mercedes driver passed him, ironically, at the same corner at which he had crashed with Verstappen.

The controversial win, in front of a crowd of 140,0000, was Hamilton's eighth in the British Grand Prix and cuts Verstappen's championship lead to eight points after a race that will go down in the annals of F1 history.

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Buddahaid 07-18-21 12:30 PM

Booo!

Jimbuna 07-18-21 01:46 PM

^ For Hamilton or Verstappen? :hmmm:

Buddahaid 07-18-21 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2758412)
^ For Hamilton or Verstappen? :hmmm:

You can argue it was just a racing incident but as Christian Horner said, you don't try to stick a wheel on the inside of that high speed corner and the stewards agreed slapping Lewis on the wrist while Max is out of the race. The only fair outcome would have been both cars retiring. As it was Lewis CAUSING an accident resulted in his gaining better tha 25 points and more likely 35 points on his rival.

Cyborg322 07-19-21 02:01 AM

^ Don't disagree with most of that but I don't think it was deliberate Hamilton had to go for lead position in those first few corners using the slipstream or the quicker Red Bull would of got too far ahead on the long straights once that gap had opened up it would of been difficult for Hamilton to get in front of Verstappen. Does not seem fair I know but it tends to be swings and roundabouts with these incidents. It will be interesting to see how both drivers tackle the next race. I think this incident was almost inevitable at some point given both guys driving styles

Simon

Buddahaid 07-19-21 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyborg322 (Post 2758467)
^ Don't disagree with most of that but I don't think it was deliberate Hamilton had to go for lead position in those first few corners using the slipstream or the quicker Red Bull would of got too far ahead on the long straights once that gap had opened up it would of been difficult for Hamilton to get in front of Verstappen. Does not seem fair I know but it tends to be swings and roundabouts with these incidents. It will be interesting to see how both drivers tackle the next race. I think this incident was almost inevitable at some point given both guys driving styles

Simon

I hear you and the sprint definetly gave a hint into the future, still, it shows Lewis was desperate enough for the lead to the point of losing sight of position. I don't blame him at all as it was a fair gamble, but the result was overbalanced in Lewis's favour. Lewis was rewarded by knocking the lead car out of the race and I hope he chokes on the victory.

HunterICX 07-19-21 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyborg322 (Post 2758467)
^ Don't disagree with most of that but I don't think it was deliberate


No Hamilton would never do that:
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Just another one he gets away with (that 10 sec penalty is a laugh, a black flag was in place for this kind of action), the guy has a weak character especially how he behaved after he basically crashed someone 300km/h into wall of tires having to experience roughly 50G's of an impact and claims he's not at fault.

stork100 07-19-21 07:07 AM

^ Agreed 100% @HunterICX. Not clean racing.

Threadfin 07-19-21 07:59 AM

Max left him room and still got punted off the track at high speed. All on Hamilton in my view and the slap on the wrist penalty does not fit the crime.


When Hamilton was doing his victory lap, flag streaming, I flipped him off and switched the channel. Here's hoping this bad juju follows him to season's end.

Skybird 07-19-21 09:20 AM

Foul manouver by Hamilton.
Foul play by the officials letting him get away with it.
Most disgusting his arrogant posing afterwards.

Awful.

MGR1 07-19-21 12:51 PM

Not good.:timeout:

The sheer dominance of the Mercedes/Hamilton combination put me off F1 just before live race coverage went completely pay-per-view here in the UK.

Good to see that the other big teams are managing to get back to being competitive again.:yeah:

Mike.

Jimbuna 07-19-21 01:13 PM

I see merit in all the posts above but don't think Hamilton acted as he did with dark motives in his head.

People want to see more risks taken in F1 and this certainly lit up the race straight from the off.

Not going to lecture anyone regarding one driver or the other but if you look up previous race crashes with Verstappen behind the wheel you soon reach the point where "Oh he's still young and inexperienced" start sounding lame.

I'm still of the opinion Verstappen is the current favourite for this years title but there is a long way to go yet and these two are clear firm favourites/contenders, so more of what happened yesterday may well be on the books.

HunterICX 07-19-21 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2758536)
I see merit in all the posts above but don't think Hamilton acted as he did with dark motives in his head.


As stated before, this is not his first time where he puts his wheel against the other's rear wheel when there's plenty of space.


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Not going to lecture anyone regarding one driver or the other but if you look up previous race crashes with Verstappen behind the wheel you soon reach the point where "Oh he's still young and inexperienced" start sounding lame.

But you forget a mayor difference, FIA punishes Verstappen for those crashes regardless him being young and inexperienced and rightfully so.

Buddahaid 07-19-21 07:56 PM

"The stewards’ verdict deemed that Hamilton had been ‘predominantly’, rather than ‘wholly’, at fault in the incident."

“Similar to what happened with Charles [Leclerc] later on [when Hamilton passed the Monegasque for the lead at the same corner], he could have stayed tucked in closer to the apex, and that was where they found [the issue]. I think the wording was clear as per the regulations, he was ‘predominantly to blame’, not ‘wholly to blame’ for it."

FIA Race Director Michael Masi

Remember LeClerc had to run wide with Lewis pushing through the inside.

Cyborg322 07-20-21 01:59 AM

It makes no sense it was deliberate. Hamiltons Mercedes probably had equal chance of coming off worse with car positioned slightly further behind and damaging the front wing with little or no damage to the Red Bull. His car was understeering when the contact occurred because he committed himself to get past and was going too fast to do anything about it. This is more to do with his choice of making the attempt to pass on this high speed bend in the first instance. Verstappens driving style where he changes direction under hard braking almost invites this but is not against the rules. A few years back Mercedes where going to make an official complaint about this but backed out. In this instance that may not of been the case but its a consideration

Hamilton should of held back it was a poor decision which could of potentially been much worse for Verstapppen. I'm just glad his was not seriously hurt and that modern F1 cars have such good protection against high impact collisions

After the race he should of just returned to the grid without the flag waving. In my opinion this was not pertinent at the time. He should have also consulted with his team before making any comments.

I respect both drivers equally this is not a case bias they both make F1 more exciting to watch. Mercedes dominance for many years made F1 far too predictable. When you have drivers so equally committed to winning the odds of collisions is greatly increased.

Skybird 07-20-21 06:00 AM

I think he pressed for a win at his home GP after the season has not gone so well for him and him not being in the fornt anyway. Shooting verstappen off may have been an expression of frustration and rage to enforce a scoring this time at the top. That Verstappen was additonally unable to score minor points him self, is an additional plus. That Hamilton afetzr the race posed and "celebrated"excessively again may be a result of human psychology: posing as the innocent man who knows of no own faults to send the message that everything is alright. But he may know himself that he did wrong there, pushed way too aggressively at least, and later again, I see in TV snippets, against LeClerk.



And no, I am not a Verstappen fan, that guy has drivenm me off long time ago already.

The whole F1 however is a joke nowadays. I do not seriously care.

Jimbuna 08-01-21 10:47 AM

Alpine’s Esteban Ocon has claimed his maiden Formula 1 victory in what was without doubt one of the most thrilling Hungarian Grands Prix of all time, ahead of Aston Martin’s Sebastian Vettel – while Lewis Hamilton recovered from being last at one point to claim P3, as Max Verstappen could only take 10th after Lap 1 contact in a crash that triggered a red flag.

A wild and wet start to the Hungarian Grand Prix saw five drivers eliminated on the first lap, as Valtteri Bottas locked up and wiped out Lando Norris and Sergio Perez – as well as hitting Verstappen – while Lance Stroll also locked up and hit Charles Leclerc, who spun around Daniel Ricciardo, with Bottas, Perez, Norris, Stroll and Leclerc all forced into retirement as the race was red flagged.

Polesitter Hamilton had made it through unscathed, but Mercedes misjudged track conditions at the race restart, keeping Hamilton out for the standing start on intermediates as the entire rest of the field pitted for mediums, Hamilton forced to pit a lap later and dropping to the back of the pack.

That allowed Ocon to take a lead that he’d hold for almost all the 70 laps at the Hungarian, holding off the race-long advances of Vettel to take his first single seater win since 2015, as Vettel secured his second P2 of the season after a fine drive.

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Buddahaid 08-01-21 12:07 PM

That was ugly and I was actually hoping Alonso and Sainz would keep Lewis off the podium although that would be punishing Lewis for his teamates huge error. A five place grid penalty is big but not as big as getting several cars to DNF and nearly putting Verstapen out. The Mercedes merely put Max out of the running this time and I hope they choke on their podium finish.

Mercedes is fast becoming my top choice for most disliked team.

Jimbuna 08-02-21 06:41 AM

Aston Martin's Sebastian Vettel has been disqualified after finishing second in the Hungarian Grand Prix.

Officials were unable to take the mandatory one-litre sample of fuel from Vettel's car after the race.

The decision would promote Mercedes' Lewis Hamilton to second place and extend his championship lead over Red Bull's Max Verstappen to eight points.

But, unconventionally, for the time being Vettel has been left in the final results pending the appeal outcome.

Governing body the FIA said it was possible to pump out only 0.3 litres from Vettel's car, and that it was no defence to claim no performance advantage was obtained.

F1 rules dictate teams must ensure a one-litre sample of fuel can be taken from the car at any time during the event.

Running less fuel can give a performance advantage as each 1kg of fuel equates to an average of about 0.035secs a lap.

Hungarian Grand Prix stewards said: "The team was given several opportunities to attempt to remove the required amount of fuel from the tank, however it was only possible to pump 0.3 litres out."

Team principal Otmar Szafnauer and technical director Andrew Green said there was 1.44 litres left in the car, but they were unable to extract that much. https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/58050375

CheckSix 08-02-21 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2758536)
I see merit in all the posts above but don't think Hamilton acted as he did with dark motives in his head.

I would respectfully suggest that his entering the corner 20kmh faster than he had at any time previously during the weekend (according to Red Bull) is more than just a coincidental discrepancy.


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