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vienna 08-19-20 05:10 AM

Here is a good source for info on the state of current California wildfires:


California Fire Map & Tracker --

https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects...rnia-fire-map/





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Originally Posted by Buddahaid (Post 2690483)
Still hot but not as bad as yesterday so maybe I'm getting used to it. It sucks when you can't wait to open up the house and let the fans cool it down overnight only to be assaulted by a skunk somewhere close at four in the morning!

Opened up now at quarter to seven and all I smell is a fire somewhere in the region.:k_confused:


So far, LA is only having a few, isolated power outages, mainly due to equipment malfunctions (blown pole transformers, etc.); the city's power system is wholly-owned by the city and we are not subject to outages as much as other areas who are under giant power companies like PG&E or SoCalEdison; the worse parts of the heat down here are the air pollution increase caused by smoke from the wildfires and very high humidity; when I finally got the portable room air conditioner (portable, my eye: it weighs about 80 pounds and, even on casters, it can be a bear to move), I was surprised to see how much condensate was produced; I have a condensate pump setup attached to the unit, and the past couple of days, it has pumped out over 1 to 1-1/2 gallons a day; the condensate pump was installed after an incident a number of years back when the AC's internal tank got overwhelmed and I came home to find a film of water all over the floor; the humidity must really be high to produce such large quantities of condensate...




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Platapus 08-19-20 08:57 AM

Thanks for posting that fire map website. It makes it easier to see how close these fires are to family in that general area.

Gerald 08-19-20 11:11 PM

Update: https://www.latimes.com/california/s...downtown-blast

Hard time! :ping:

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Los Angeles firefighter Andrew Tom hadn’t been inside the downtown building long when he heard the boom.

Other firefighters said it was like a jet engine rocketing to life. Tom just knew it meant something terrible was about to happen.

Seconds later, as flames consumed the room and lapped at his LAFD gear, Tom thought about his fire academy training and what he’d been told about a “flash over” — the amount of time that combustible materials will take to ignite during an enclosed fire.

“They always say five seconds, or you’re gonna die. Five seconds went by. Ten seconds went by ... I was like there’s no way I’m getting out, at all,” Tom said. “That’s where my mind went into: It’s over. I’m gonna die in here.”

Aktungbby 08-20-20 11:03 AM

bad news on all fronts: 124,00 acres from six fires are now counted with 0% containment. 105 homes and out buidings are destroyed. The city of Healdsburg is on alert to the NorthWest (50 miles) is on evacuation standby. 40 miles to the east near Travis AFB and near Vacaville State prison there are fires. MODERATOR Perhaps we should move/combine this thread to Onkel's "hang in there California" thread!:k_confused:EDIT: I-80 was closed for an hour and a Vacaville PG & E touble-finder has died while working the fires. 375 out-of-state additional engine assistance is requested by the governor.

Mr Quatro 08-20-20 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Aktungbby (Post 2690856)
bad news on all fronts: 124,00 acres from six fires are now counted with 0% containment. 105 homes and out buidings are destroyed. The city of Healdsburg is on alert to the NorthWest (50 miles) is on evacuation standby. 40 miles to the east near Travis AFB and near Vacaville State prison there are fires. MODERATOR Perhaps we should move/combine this thread to Onkel's "hang in there California" thread!:k_confused:

Naugh, this too will come to pass :D

But we will miss y'all when California falls into the ocean :o

Aktungbby 08-20-20 12:23 PM

Most humorous post of year nominee:
 
We have our priorities straight in Napa!:Kaleun_Thumbs_Up: https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.town...ize=1200%2C798and the owner of the remote Turtle Rock Café saved his businesshttps://bloximages.chicago2.vip.town...ize=1200%2C900:Kaleun_Cheers: nuthin' a 2500 gallon tank, installed after the 2017fires, and a long hose and helpful neighbors with a fire 'strike crew' can't cure. I've used that portapottie on many a long patrol 'twixt Sacramento and the backroute to Napa!:Kaleun_Salute:
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We survived another one,” said Leung. “I don’t know how, but we did. Someone is looking out for us.”
When asked about remaining in an area that seems to be prone to wildfires, Leung didn’t hesitate. His family has lived in the area for 40 years. His home — also safe — is just minutes away.

“The cafe is my livelihood.. And if that goes then my livelihood is gone,” he said.

“I don’t think the county would let me replace that building” where it is now, he said. “If that goes, Turtle Rock is gone forever.”

His oldest son, age 11, stayed with Leung to help fight the fire.


Jimbuna 08-20-20 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Aktungbby (Post 2690856)
bad news on all fronts: 124,00 acres from six fires are now counted with 0% containment. 105 homes and out buidings are destroyed. The city of Healdsburg is on alert to the NorthWest (50 miles) is on evacuation standby. 40 miles to the east near Travis AFB and near Vacaville State prison there are fires. MODERATOR Perhaps we should move/combine this thread to Onkel's "hang in there California" thread!:k_confused:

A bit late for that now because posts will get entwined with each other.

The simpler answer would be for the thread creator to look carefully for any particularly similar themed thread before posting.

Gerald 08-20-20 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2690880)
A bit late for that now because posts will get entwined with each other.

The simpler answer would be for the thread creator to look carefully for any particularly similar themed thread before posting.

Aye.

Mr Quatro 08-20-20 09:10 PM

A friend sent me this image ... every year it's gets worse

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...a3&oe=5F65C707

Aktungbby 08-20-20 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendor-Gerald
Can we get a direct report ......:hmmm:

^nice map! The tally stands at 11,000 lightning strikes in 72 hours; spawning 360 California fires; 23 of which are considered major infernos: resulting in a request for 375 additional engines from out of state, as well as additional hand crews. The LNU Lightning Complex(Napa)conflagration now threatens 1900 homes across five counties. Fortunately the winds have been mild; not like the 50+ mph gales that drove the infernos two years ago. EDIT: One of the crucial factors afflicting the firestorm's overwhelming demands is the massive reduction in trained inmate-fire crews who are, in effect, the backbone of frontline handcrew fire suppression. Of the 190 certified 17 man crews, available in 2018 infernos, only 90 or so are available as this fire season starts. This due to the fire training camp shutdown's and the early release of inmates to reduce serious Covid infections in the CA prison systems.

Gerald 08-21-20 01:34 AM

Update: https://www.latimes.com/california/s...eaten-san-jose

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...uate-wildfires

:hmmm:

Gerald 08-21-20 07:14 PM

Heat is turbocharging fires, drought and tropical storms this summer
 
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SAN FRANCISCO — First came the lightning, with cracks of thunder that woke Hope Weng from sleep. “I thought it was someone wheeling out one of the garbage bins,” the 23-year-old said. Then came the wildfires, mixing with the unbearable heat that was tough to escape in her Mountain View, Calif., apartment with no air conditioning. “I’m hot and I want to let the window open to let in cool air, but the air also smells like fire.”

America is roasting.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/clima...ge%2Fstory-ans

I hope they can cope and deal with this is happening fast in the best way.:yep:

Buddahaid 08-21-20 08:04 PM

I have a friend who just lost a house on Mill creek Road out of Healdsburg. Nice place but at least it wasn't the main residence but that is no consolation to the renter. And my daughter is hosting two evacuees from the Pope valley area.

Aktungbby 08-22-20 12:44 AM

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and I'll probably get a call to prevent inevitable looting during these conflagrations at some point just like 2018; it was a big gang related problem..
It begins: as per my observation in "what are you doing in real life" thread today, a gang of five looters and one heavily armed 'lone wolf' have already been arrested in the CZU fires area in Santa Cruz county where the communities of Zayante, Scotts Valley and Felton have been evacuated and remote Bonny Doon seriously burned over with major destruction. More lightning strikes are forecast for the weekend.... https://abc7news.com/looters-arrested-czu-lightning-complex-fires-santa-cruz-evacuation-updates-fire-map-update/6383133/

Buddahaid 08-22-20 02:46 AM

No more lightning please. Marin has been spared over the last couple of years but I fear that is luck.

Gerald 08-22-20 09:59 AM

California fires: Governor asks Australia for help
 
https://i.imgur.com/TNIyHyQ.jpg
A series of massive fires in northern and central California forced more evacuations.

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California is struggling to contain huge wildfires burning forests and homes, warned Governor Gavin Newsom on Friday as more than 12,000 fire-fighters battled blazes that have killed six people.

Help was on its way from several US states as Gov Newsom put in a plea for assistance from Australia and Canada.

"These fires are stretching our resources, our personnel," he said.

Among the 560 fires are some of the largest the state has seen.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53828150

Sad to see...:ping:

Aktungbby 08-22-20 02:04 PM

Death by 'friendly fire' in an unfriendly fire??!!
 
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Originally Posted by Gerald (Post 2691286)

BIGGER ain't always better: The 747-400 super tanker used in the Pardise and Brazil fires is out of service https://s3.amazonaws.com/the-drive-s...6177749523.jpgdue to backruptcy issues....just when 'a von Claucsewitzian level 'increase of firepower' is needed to combat the wrath of god. At 20000 gallons per drop, twice the amount of a DC-10, someone needs to get to the boneyard and revamp it. The retardant drops can be fatal to firefighters on the ground though: https://apnews.com/7b72b8c13e454d46ac5489cec4cdbc3c/Firefighter%E2%80%99s-death-caused-by-retardant-drop-from-747

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The pilot and a supervisor flying ahead in a small guide plane led the giant modified Boeing 747 nearly into the trees on Aug. 13 because the pilots failed to recognize that there was a hill in the flight path, according to the Green Sheet report by the state’s firefighting agency. (The drops are planned for 300 feet; the hill shortened the altitude to 200'!)
Because of the near ground-level release, the retardant struck with such force it uprooted an 87-foot (27-meter) tree that fell on Matthew Burchett fatally, a 42-year-old battalion chief from Utah helping with the Mendocino Complex Fire north of San Francisco.
Another large tree was snapped by the force of nearly 20,000 gallons (75,700 liters) of liquid and three firefighters were injured, one seriously.

vienna 08-22-20 06:09 PM

One of the types of aircraft used to fight Southern Calif. wildfire, a 737 Air Tanker:


https://fireaviation.com/wp-content/...lson-T-137.jpg


This is a link to photos of some other aircraft in the SoCal wildfire fighting arsenal:


Photos of firefighting aircraft on the Elizabeth Fire in southern California --

https://fireaviation.com/2020/06/17/...rn-california/


Other craft are sometimes obtained by local county, state, or, even Federal authorities, either borrowed or leased, from outside sources, as needed and if available; in a situation as we're in now, with fires spread over so much of the state and of such severity, the opportunities for added air support are diminished...

In regards to the size vs. effectiveness issue, payload can often be a secondary consideration; depending on terrain and extent of a blaze, size of craft can be a liability; larger craft mean greater speeds in flight at the loss of some maneuverability; in mountainous terrain, much larger craft cannot easily maneuver in close enough for pinpoint drops and, dropping retardant from a necessarily higher altitude cause the drops to often miss their mark; smaller aircraft are also better capable of dealing with surprise currents and drafts caused by changing micro-climates caused by the fires and respond with greater ease and safety; additionally, smaller aircraft are more versatile in accessing water sources: a helicopter can hover over nearby lakes, etc., to draw into their tanks and some other small fixed-wing craft can skim over the surfaces of larger lakes to scoop up water for their tanks, while the very large craft often have to land, be filled, and then take off, costing time in firefighting efforts...

Regardless, of the type or size of craft, the efforts of those who fly and maintain the craft is to be greatly appreciated...




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Aktungbby 08-22-20 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Aktungbby (Post 2691375)
BIGGER ain't always better: The 747-400 super tanker used in the Pardise and Brazil fires is out of service due to backruptcy issues....just when 'a von Claucsewitzian level 'increase of firepower' is needed to combat the wrath of god. At 20000 gallons per drop, twice the amount of a DC-10, someone needs to get to the boneyard and revamp it. The retardant drops can be fatal to firefighters on the ground though:

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Originally Posted by vienna (Post 2691414)

This is a link to photos of some other aircraft in the SoCal wildfire fighting arsenal:


Photos of firefighting aircraft on the Elizabeth Fire in southern California --


In regards to the size vs. effectiveness issue, payload can often be a secondary consideration; depending on terrain and extent of a blaze, size of craft can be a liability; larger craft mean greater speeds in flight at the loss of some maneuverability; in mountainous terrain, much larger craft cannot easily maneuver in close enough for pinpoint drops and, dropping retardant from a necessarily higher altitude cause the drops to often miss their mark; smaller aircraft are also better capable of dealing with surprise currents and drafts caused by changing micro-climates caused by the fires and respond with greater ease and safety; additionally, smaller aircraft are more versatile in accessing water sources: a helicopter can hover over nearby lakes, etc., to draw into their tanks and some other small fixed-wing craft can skim over the surfaces of larger lakes to scoop up water for their tanks, while the very large craft often have to land, be filled, and then take off, costing time in firefighting efforts...

Regardless, of the type or size of craft, the efforts of those who fly and maintain the craft is to be greatly appreciated...




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Argument duly noted, and well considered as usual but it's dangerous work as a fire-helicoptor pilot has already died this week.This is a matter of increase of firepower especially when the volume of fires exceeds last years' already. All fireplanes miss the mark like any bomber but this bad boy is seriously missing from the fight and I saw it first hand in 2017: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjCHXNHE6QE "von Claucsewitzian" Rule 2: ie always increase firepower if possible; and doing the work of six conventional aircraft - is essentially military 'economy of forces' : literally ten fewer pilots and crews. The 747 is a two plane affair with a spotter aircraft leading the way and releasing smoke at the drop point. Even the DC-10 uses a Cessna Citation spotter
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The jet you hear zoom overhead in front of the DC-10 is a Cessna Citation, which is used as a spotting aircraft for the tankers making drop runs. The Citations use smoke to mark the drop spot, or they literally fly the run in front of the tanker in a game of follow the leader.
And even the DC-10 with half the payload of the 747, gets a little too close to ridge terrain for comfort: video #1: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4551/watch-this-epic-retardant-drop-run-by-a-firefighting-dc-10
Note spotter in video #2; complete with puff of smoke!!:yeah:

Aktungbby 08-22-20 09:52 PM

I"m gonna sue for plaigarism! Not even a deferential nod!
 
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Originally Posted by Aktungbby (Post 2690876)
We have our priorities straight in Napa! https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.town...ize=1200%2C798and

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Originally Posted by Aktungbby (Post 2690969)
The tally stands at 11,000 lightning strikes in 72 hours; spawning 360 California fires; 23 of which are considered major infernos: resulting in a request for 375 additional engines from out of state, as well as additional hand crews. The LNU Lightning Complex(Napa)conflagration now threatens 1900 homes across five counties. Fortunately the winds have been mild; not like the 50+ mph gales that drove the infernos two years ago. EDIT: One of the crucial factors afflicting the firestorm's overwhelming demands is the massive reduction in trained inmate-fire crews who are, in effect, the backbone of frontline handcrew fire suppression. Of the 190 certified 17 man crews, available in 2018 infernos, only 90 or so are available as this fire season starts. This due to the fire training camp shutdown's and the early release of inmates to reduce serious Covid infections in the CA prison systems.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/08/exponential-threat-pandemic-wildfires/615574/
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Jacob Stern https://cdn.theatlantic.com/thumbor/...n/original.jpg: Two Disasters Are Exponentially Worse Than One https://cdn.theatlantic.com/thumbor/...4/original.jpg

Californians face an impossible choice between virus safety and fire safety.
Eleven thousand lightning strikes, 370 wildfires, a pandemic, a heat wave, and rolling blackouts—California has endured a lot this week. Hundreds of thousands of acres have burned, and tens of thousands of people have had to evacuate. The largest of the blazes—the LNU Lightning Complex fires, which alone span Napa, Sonoma, Solano, and Lake Counties—is only 7 percent contained.
One disaster is bad. Two are worse, but the damage doesn’t just double. This confluence of circumstances can seem like a series of independent misfortunes, when in fact it is a tangle of loose contingencies. A single high-pressure system rolling in from the Southwest initiated the heat wave and the thunderstorms, which together created the conditions for the fires, which will likely both exacerbate and be exacerbated by the pandemic, which has diminished firefighting resources and, along with the heat wave, contributed to the blackouts by keeping people at home with their air-conditioning on full blast.
These overlapping disasters compound. “It’s more than plus one,” says Susan Cutter, a disaster researcher at the University of South Carolina. To her knowledge, no one has quantified this synergy exactly, but “it certainly affects the response, probably in exponential ways.
California is witnessing this exponential relationship firsthand. Smoke now blankets much of the state—on Wednesday, air quality in the Bay Area was the worst in the world—but N95 masks, essential for going outside in such conditions, have proved almost impossible to acquire since COVID-19 emerged. That shortage could in turn worsen the pandemic, since studies have found that breathing polluted air leaves the lungs more vulnerable to the coronavirus. Firefighting forces, which in California rely heavily on inmate labor, have been depleted by both COVID-19 outbreaks in prisons and the early-release policies instituted to prevent them.

“You only have a certain amount of emergency-management capacity in the way of people and equipment and supplies,” says Mark Abkowitz, a civil- and environmental-engineering professor at Vanderbilt University. “If you think of that as a kind of reservoir, and you’re having to draw on it for multiple purposes at the same time, it leads to situations much more difficult in terms of getting the right amount of resources to the locations where they’re needed.”

These dynamics also play out at an individual, psychological level. Mental-health researchers have repeatedly found that a victim’s risk of post-disaster psychological trauma depends in large part on their history of mental-health problems. With each successive trauma, the risk heightens and the burden accumulates. “You can think of coping resources in part as a fixed entity, like a muscle,” says Joe Ruzek, a longtime PTSD researcher at Stanford University and Palo Alto University. “You have a certain amount of energy to deploy,” and at some point the amount required exceeds the amount available. That, at least in theory, is when resilience reaches its limit. For many people—especially health-care workers, COVID-19 patients, and those who have lost loved ones—the past six months have steadily depleted those energy stores. As a result, people may have more trouble than usual coping with the wildfires, which leave deep psychological scars even in ordinary years.
“You’ve got this background level of anxiety due to COVID-19, and then you add wildfires on top of that—that’s going to boost people’s level of distress,” says Steven Taylor, a psychiatry professor at the University of British Columbia, who last year published a book on the psychology of pandemics.

Read: What happens if a “big one” strikes during the pandemic?
What makes the wildfire-pandemic combination uniquely devastating at both a societal and a personal level is that the two disasters demand opposite responses. A pandemic, as Americans have learned, requires people to stay home and practice social distancing. A wildfire, by contrast, requires them to evacuate and congregate. The director of California’s Office of Emergency Services has acknowledged
the need for an evacuation plan tailored to the pandemic, and the state’s new rules provide for prepackaged meals, health screenings, and the conversion of hotels, campgrounds, and college dorms into shelters. Still, for most people, following one safety protocol will mean compromising on others. Hence the Californian’s dilemma: Those who flee risk infection; those who stay risk incineration. Something has to give.
Taylor worries about what this will mean for those torn between staying and fleeing. Persuading people to leave behind their home and possessions can be tricky even in ordinary times, he told me. Now imagine someone who has spent the pandemic adhering religiously to social-distancing guidelines. Imagine that she’s immunocompromised. Maybe a loved one has died of COVID-19. It is nighttime when the evacuation order arrives. The wind is blowing, and the fire is advancing, and there is nowhere to go but a shelter.
“That could paralyze some people behaviorally, not knowing what to do,” Taylor said. “It could be very bad for some people.”

Jacob Stern has absolutely committed Plagiarism ie:
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Plagiarism is the representation of another author's language, thoughts, ideas, or expressions as one's own original work
OH well... someone reads my :subsim: posts and expands on the concept I 'spose...:hmmm: but it's still a rip off! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism


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