Yeah, because only the left has been spewing rhetoric about this. I've seen plenty of people trying to use this event for multiple reasons already.

So why did you lead off with a political statement? And why is the rest of your post full of the same BS?

Yeah, there could be ramifications...
Why don't we leave that until after they're done counting the dead and wounded? Let's let the families of those directly affected cry for a few days before we start trying to turn this into a push for our favorite fear mongering or pet legislation?

Of course. The evil leftists were probably waiting for just such a thing to happen so they could push their legislation through.

Ugh. "Free Speech Areas" set up wherever Bush was speaking come to mind? The left is not solely to blame for such things.

Tell the right wing to drop all the crap they've used 9/11 for.

*ahem* Patriot Act.

Yeah, I can bet.

Wasn't the nut who did the murders known for his rants in classroom against all the others who didn't see the world his way?
Apparently he ranted a lot about the two words you used before what is quoted above.

Isn't it funny that with your moans about the "others" politics over this issue you show yourself to be that you wish to condemn, and given the nature of some of your rants you mirror some of the rants of that conspiracy nut in this topic.

German opinion piece that pretty much mirrors my feelings about the background.

That's a little below the belt me thinks.

Just found out the Judge who was killed was the same judge who made headlines with this story in 2009

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...izona-rancher/


He was well like and respected by his peers RIP

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...738627,00.html
This is from the English edition of Der Spiegel. However, the same magazine in its German edition also published this somewhat opposite kind of comment:

Polit-Schlachtfeld Arizona - "Wir sind der Grabstein Amerikas"

It's about the upheated, vitriolic political climate in which hate-filled martial rethorics get used, displaying a worrying failure of even a minimum of political culture. It also tells the background of judge Roll who Firewall just has mentioned.

And yet, you turn and do precisely the same thing. I told Gimpy that he was wrong for doing so. I told The Third Man that he was wrong for doing so. I told Torvald that he was wrong for doing so. Accordingly, you are also wrong for doing so.

For the record, that makes two on the left and two on the right that have tried to manipulate this tragedy for gain.

No. Spending 1% of your post with some weaselly comment about "oh maybe the right will probably use this for political gain" and then spending the other 99% beating the other side over the head and using the tragedy for political traction does not make you fair. It makes you a partisan political hack. And just as guilty of what you are accusing the other side of doing - using someone's death to attack the other side. So it also makes you a hypocrite and classless too.

UNtil demonstrated one way or another, we don't even know the guy's politics. We do know he's very likely clinically nuts.

When Hasan shouted allah akbar and shot up Ft. Hood we were told to withhold judgement even though we knew far more about THAT perp. Was he also crazy? Possible, but it's a lot harder to present with frank mental illness, then get through college, med school and residency, and this kid in AZ was clearly pretty nuts even in community college or wherever he was.

A safe assumption for this kid IMHO has a frank mental illness til proved otherwise. Note that his politics, regardless will not have been picked rationally, since he's not rational.

Blaming Palin is quite frankly idiotic (because of a "targeted" picture). Obama once said that if his political opponents brought a knife to a fight that they should bring a gun. Shall we hold him responsible if there is any attack on the other side? (some likely would, but it would be similarly stupid).

Well as a completely separate issue from this tragedy, I think there is a growing number of people who would indeed like to see the tone of the rhetoric from both sides toned down. The Stewart/Colbert "Rally to Restore Sanity" is proof of that.

While I doubt this act was caused by or influenced by the heated political climate, and happened simply because the guy was an unhinged loon, if it results in less gun imagery in politics and a less "revolution! armed revolt!" etc. tone then I think that's a positive result.

Just imagine if this happened right before the last election....

Yea, it still would be a tragedy.
I don't know how to take this comment.

Am i missing something here?
Is it the fact that the unfortunate woman is a Congress person, ie a 'political' figure that that is the reason this thread has taken a 'politically-flavored' direction?

Isn't it more 'appropriate' and respectful to curb one's political diatribes and viewpoints of a political or otherwise off-topic nature for once, and not to hypothesize or crystal ball the reasons behind this tragic state of events?
Certainly at this time?
Isn't it more 'tasteful' and apt to acknowledge this as another 'stain' in our simple but complex existence as a human race on this earth?
Isn't it also, out of pure respect to those that have been affected by this tragedy, either directly or indirectly, to just 'leave their condolenses and well-wishes to those affected?
I understand the 'General Forum' topics that are posted are posted for, and might i add generally for inviting discussions and viewpoints and ideas in general.
I have nothing against that, of course.
However, what i fail to understand and what does not sit well with me, is that threads like this one, where it contains nothing but tragedy and suffering and pain to many, is 'used', in one way or another to get off-topic, to advertise one's 'hypotheticals' or 'crystal balling', or one's political views.

Please show some respect to the 6 people killed and their families, also to the congress woman, who is fighting for her life.
Courtesy of the Washington Post:
a tribute/profile of the 6 people that lost their lives, inc a 9 year old girl- R.I.P.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/blo...ims_the_f.html

Exactly, even though he acted alone, it still will likely serve as an example of just exactly what would happen when you advocate violence. Where before, you could drop a subtle comment about revolution, now suggesting shooting of opponents will bring this incident right to everyones minds.

If the tea party is any kind of smart, they will stop ANY kind of references to armed revolution, and should certainly stop gun related political events and things like the crosshairs page on Palin's website.

Hell,people should go to the Yahoo forums on this. The far left are having a total and complete meltdown over this tragedy.

"The teabaggers and rebublicans should banned"

"Sarah Palin,Glenn Beck and Rush Limbough should be tried as accomplices to murder and Fox News should be sued and shut down for inciting a Murder."

"All Republicans should be rounded up and put into concentration camps"

There are calls for the FCC to shut down all conservative tv and radio programs

Some of the left wing nutjobs are even calling for anyone who disagrees with Obama to be tried for Treason.

I'm sorry,but the person who claimed that the far left was trying to take advantage of this for their own agendas appears to be right.

I have NEVER seen so much hatred and vitriol towards the Republican party before. Even during the Bush administration it was never this bad.

The thoughts and ideas these people are promoting I find to be actually scary. They sound like the kind of people who would love it if we had a Hitler or Stalin.

I feel truly sorry for the true Democrats that are out there. The left wing fringe of your party is not doing you any favors right now.

But then,the right wing fringe is just as idiotic.

So you go on a diatribe about one side, and then pay lip service to the other in a tiny caveat at the bottom? We tried to keep it just about the tragedy. We don't need political rallies in a thread like this.

and some republicans are facebook are saying its good shes "out of the way"

it goes both ways. random nuts on the internet do not an entire party make

After reading only the first two pages, and then in disgust, glossing over to the last three pages of this thread to see what direction it went, I can think of only ONE response, and it is this:

Not so dear die hard politico's of the left and right persuasion:
Screw you both. The whole country could (and probably will) crumble down around you, but the only thing anyone can count on from either of you, is for both of you pointing the finger at the other assigning blame. All the while maintaining the "innocence" and "purity" of your favorite team (R or D) or favorite direction (Left or right). So screw you both, and the horse you rode in on.

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I'm sorry,but the person who claimed that the far left was trying to take advantage of this for their own agendas appears to be right.QUOTE]


That person was me and I was basically scorned by the usual people I argue with on here for being "political" and a "hypocrite" when I was in fact pointing out how the left is already using this tragedy to blame those who oppose Obama/Progressive agenda.

I've seen all parts of the left do this so far...the regular citizens , the "Professional Left" on MSNBC and CNN and even heard a couple Lefty politicians make remarks saying this is why gun control is needed and the recent "hate speech" aka speech from those who are against them should be looked at aka find ways to silence them if possible.When the smoke settles from this, we will see attempts to further curb gun and speech rights.Calling someone out for exploiting the death of 6 people and assault of multiple others is not playing politics, it's just the right thing to do.

:nope:

You can't turn it off, even for a day and in the face of tragedy, can you?

:up:

You really should start to read some of the posts in this thread. Like for example the one from Ducimus I just quoted:nope: