Im almost sure no WW1 aircraft had the ability trim there elevators....

Actually a fair number could provide longitudinal trim. SE5a is one of the first to make it to ROF that should be able to do so.

There is a worm-gear that raises the front spar of the horizontal stabiliser (the elevator itself remains free-floating, unless 'held' by the pilot, but the required elevator trim force can be reduced to zero by this means).

This makes it more similar to the Bf109 trim, than that fitted to eg the Hurricane or Spitfire (or most other WW2 fighters)

1.004 patch is out. 525mb.

Anyone who has the game should be very pleased with the patch. It corrects alot of the little gripes people have had and this week sometime we should be getting two more planes added.

S.E.5.a and Pfalz D.III are out now :)

Yeah I did yesterday..LOL. Rise of Flight is beautifully done! The flight models are especially challenging and the details are rendered very nicely. If the game has any drawbacks..it is with the lack of explanation of the in game options and how they work. Over all...very impressive indeed.:yeah:

He speaks the truth...I just got the game today...and have a great deal of experience at getting shot down...lol

Yeah I have had it since release, bought all 3 planes so far. Love it thoroughly.

The thing is, if you want single player.. well the options as of right now suck, but the devs promise more.

If you want MP... well the options as of now suck, but the devs promise more.

If you want a well modeled WWI plane and flight model, then there is no better. They have the flight engine down beautifully (the hardest part) and seem committed to putting the rest right,

Add on planes will cost you money. You will always need to be connected to the net. These things will never change no matter how much the same 10 whiners post at ROF.com and SimHQ. If you are a sim enthuisiast but only enthused by WWI planes in a passing way I would hold off. If you truly love WWI aviation then you can not afford to miss this title.

Just my 2¢

Totally agree,Highbury. Also, the devs might consider giving us some sort of an instruction guide for the mission editor.

Without having read through all 5 pages of this thread I just remind you (again?) that due to this wonderful thing called DRM the sim needs to be constantly connected to the internet - even if you intend to play SP.


That means you can'T play on a PC without active connection. And it means if the corresponding server goes down, you cannot play as well.

Which is a strict K.O. criterion for me. I hate to let go this one, like I also hated to let go Black Shark over Starforce, but that's what I do. I do not accept to hang on their long line as long as I am expected to even pay money for it.

The sim has relatively few plaable planes, and all addon planes TBR will cost "money per item", although the main title already sells for full price. Another customer-hostile feature.

Losers on both sides
 

I will have to agree with your reasons as to why I have not tried to get either title. As much as both intrigue me, I just have no interest in being tied to the Internet just to fly a Sim, especially when I plan to stick with Single Player.

I feel this is a true loss on both sides. 1, I miss out on 2 great looking Sims and 2, they will miss out on a lot of potential sales just because of the requirement to stay connected. :cry:

While I agree with the last two and simular posts.

I also want to go on record that I can also understand the Owners of ROF's wanting to keep secure their game from being on a thiefware.

They have a large investment in a niche product so, I have to be sympathetic to their reason while not being a customer.

Maybe in time they can do something for offline SP.

I wholeheartly wish ROF success. :salute:

While I agree with the objections concerning ROF, I consider it nescesary to point out that the DRM present in Black Shark (yes, StarForce) is in no way similar to what people have become to loathe.

It kept me from a day-1 purchase, in fact it kept me from purchasing untill about a month ago, untill I realised my hatred towards the name StarForce was, in this case, unfounded.

Ofcourse it depends on where you draw the line when it comes to restrictions. In this case there's an online activation with limited activations. If you're migrating to a new system or doing an upgrade, you can use a deactivation and reactivate after you've made the system changes, without losing an activation. No rootkit-like driver installs that can mess up your system.

I still don't like it when anything is "limited", but it still beats the restrictions found on many other games (pretty much anything that has SecuROM nowadays).

If you can look past the StarForce name, you might find that the system is in this case quite reasonable.



As far as flight simulations go, it's the best thing ever. Eagle Dynamics both needs and deserves your support. Perhaps they might even drop StarForce in future modules. :hmmm:

Are you talking about ROF or Black Shark ?

I thought this was an ROF thread.

While I see the interest for protecting software, and absolutely sympathise with that, limited online activations and DRM keep me in infinite dependance from factors that are beyond my reach (servers, companies), and that I do not accept as long as I pay full price for it.

Since I wish these things to go away again, I cannot wish Black Shark and Rise of Flight success, since only financial failure of the distribution model has a chance to make producers changing it. If it is successful, they will stick with it - and that I do not wish. So I hope the sales numbers are so low that it sends them the message.

Customer's compliance was not what made Sony listening to customers of their copy-protected music CDs. Nor was customer's acceptance what made UBI and others dropping Starforce again. It was protest, public criticism, court cases and dissappointing sales numbers.

In the General Forum, I had laucnhed a thread on DRM and two simHQ-essays, one pro and one contra. while both were written competently and with calm reasoning, I agree with the contra's arguments more than with the pro's.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=154722

Black Shark; some things are worth fighting for. ;)

Skybird, I agree with your reasoning, but good/realistic flight-sims are few and far between. Might be another 10 years before something like Rise of Flight pops up again. Although I admire sticking to your guns, maybe sometimes you need to make an exception (I folded for BS, and only BS). ;)

So what...? If that title in ten years is DRM, too, it is a non-starter as well, so why should I care for it? Better they get the lesson today, and by that increasing the chance that once they go with a new title again they will give up on DRM. In other business fields, both software and music, they haven given up on it already, saying out loud that it was a failure.

The message is they did not give up because the model was successful or they showed good willingness, but because it proved to be an economic failure and/or a damage to their business reputation.

This is no principal stubborness by me. I see DRM as being simply wrong, and tackling consumer's rights ( for example to resell a legally bought item, or to run it even without the needed server being in existence anymore).

I personally consider solid dongle solutions as good copy protection. It does a good job in delaying piracy successes in the first important weeks (which is what it all is about: delaying piracy in the first weeks), and from SBP I know that there are almost no complaints from the community, and the Codemeter dongle sticks having a good reputation in getting the intended job done. Customers' interest: taken care of, business interests: taken care of as well. Of course some will start whining again about how stressful it is for them to have to plug in and out a dongle and handle it appropriately so that it does not break after two months of use (maybe less stressful than having to plug and unplug a joystick?), but I know that it can be done. :) Like people complaining about disc's "limited lifetime", but throwing them around carelessly, scratching them mindlessly, using them to put their cup of coffee onto them, letting them fall onto the ground, touching the surface instead of carrying them with fingers put at the edges only. I never clean my discs, and my oldest discs are from the mid-80s - and still are as clear and shiny as a freshly polished mirror. So, handling discs with care and without needing to think about it can be done, too, you just must not behave like an elephant in a Chinese shop. In no way that is any "effort". And it is the same way with dongles.

I'll be buying this sim with my first wage. I cannot wait, roll on next Friday :woot:

Ha, I totally forgot about this one. What are the planes that are included in the game? (flyable) The movies look totally cool.