how do you know that the government isn't telling you the truth?

since when was it ever good to trust government?

asw if you can get into the cia and release all those documents and tapes that were never released then god bless you. if you cant then take the cold hard reality of 9/11 and accept it.


ook governments can do anything these days especially the US. they had the balls to kill a few thousand people bring down the wtc buildings. if everyone here watches every second of that movie i posted earlier it explains every single little nook cranny detail on how the towers fell and why, it shows building 7 clearly standing and and it being brought down in a controlle implosion.


another thing is this there was a 20hr out of control open air fire on a hotel that was going on for 20 hrs and the metal didnt fail,(ref. video) now the fires in the wtc went on for 19 min then the towers collapsed. taking into the effect of the initial impact, which most of the energy was diffused when the buildings which where designed to sway after an impact did infact sway.

because of physical scientific evidence proving thouroughly on how the 9/11 attacks really happened.

edit* boy o boy has this thread grown fast

How in God's name does that prove that the government was responsible?

Perhaps if you would clearly state your point all would be willing to address your point and give altenatives. Then all would be good.

I congratulate you on allowing every one to disagree with you and standing your ground. Good on ya!!!

OOOOO nice, we have figures for the melting point of steel. Im impressed. Hell it even came from that font of all knowledge, wikipedia.:up:

What im less impressed with is the ignorance shown.

The melting point of steel is yes, around 2500 or 2600 degrees. That does NOT mean that up until that point, the alloy is impervious to any sort of damage. 2600 (taking the upper limit) is where it becomes molten. At lesser temperatures, the steel is weakened! all of a sudden, you've got weakened steel holding up 30 floors.. its not so tough to believe that fire weakened the structural integrity of the steel now, is it???

As for that feature-length video, well i turned it off after about 15 minutes.
"If glass, steel and concrete dont burn, what fed the fire?" Hmm let me think. WTC. lots of accounting and other financial firms. what do all firms dealing with money have in common? they like paper, and lots of it.

Lets think, what else is in an office block? carpet? desks? chairs? how about curtains, too?

That, as well as the 'boom boom' that they loved going on about, led me to turn it off because it was clear they were looking for anything at all. when the camera they replayed over and over panned up to the tower, you could see that it had already begun collapsing, before the boom boom. as for the boom boom being explosions, dont you think that large areas of floor falling a few metres each time wouldve made just a bit of noise??:know:

also Silverstein ship the steel to china and had them destroyed

It doesn't. Nor does it explain why a government that "can do anything these days" including pulling off "the greatest conspiracy ever recorded" can't silence some nut conspiracy theorist. Bottom line here is he doesn't know what he's talking about.

He's proof of PT Barnums famous quote about suckers being born every minute. Y'see he wants to believe, therefore he will cling to any half baked theory that comes along.

perhaps it could be done cheaper there than in the states, including shipping costs? Thus far, each argument you n elite have put forward is able to be refuted.

plus he got a few billion dollars off the lives of over a few thousand people. btw watch the whole video and you will learn not every bit of information is in the first 15 min jeez.

Edit* can you please refute the evidence in the video then?

i told you, the sheer desperation shown by the film-makers warrants no further viewing. They're grasping at straws, and very very thin ones at that!

*Edit: i just refuted 2 points made within 15 mins. that would statistically make for 6 large points, all of them easily explained without conspiracy throughout the length of the film if they're as flimsy as the first 2.

then why would the filmmaker remortgage her house and sell almost everything she has to make this film.

perhaps to gain 15 minutes of fame, in the hope of being given a film in hollywood? a lot more likely than you may think.


Or....


maybe she sold up house so that the cia and "kgb" who were responsible cant find her anymore!111!!!one!!eleven!:roll:

oh like are news:rotfl:

Can you answer my question earlier to you dood, if a plane didn't hit the Pentagon what happened to AA Flight 77 and its passengers? Don't you think answering that question or finding some evidence of where it went would go a long way to proving a government conspiracy? :doh:

all that i know from scientific evidence which i believe rather then a warmongering stupid government heade by a useless ape, is that 9/11 was ochestrated, i cana dmit it obviously sucks for the familes of the lost ones, and it sucks that 3000 people died, what pisses me off if the government was involved with it and they dont want to admit to the deaths of over 3000 people. and what about the hijackers give me proof that they are dead and not alive???

You didn't answer the question, what happened to Flight 77 then??

I'll keep asking it til you give me a straight answer. :nope:

I never knew this guy had lazer-thermometer eyes...:roll: Can you tell me how you can 'see' the difference in temperature on metal? (being 550 degrees or 1500 degrees) And besides, You cant see anything but steamy looking stuff coming from the metal. I don't see anything that is literally "red-hot." He sure dosen't look like a figherfighter to me, either. Just who is he?