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ikalugin 03-25-17 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Nippelspanner (Post 2474975)
Are you trying to be sarcastic/ironic?
Because there is a rather big hacker/trolling activity, Kremlin controlled and fueled, so... Yeah, evil russian hackers indeed.

I am, I would like to see the evidence behind any such politically convenient accusations. The materials I have seen presented regarding the DNC story:
- either do not have evidence regarding attibution, only conclusions (such as joint statements)
- or say that the agencies investigating got their evidence from private company hired by the DNC (recent hearings)
But then I am salty/paranoid of everything I did not see with my two eyes.

To be honest, after the year-zero leaks I think that CIA/NSA hack into German elections is about as if not more likely.

ikalugin 03-25-17 09:42 AM

As an honest full disclosure of my personal views and thus the narrative I present here. There are several parts to it.

First of all I believe that an entity is not guilty unless proven to as a fact (with due process and such). Thus in this way it is irrelevant as to if the crime was or was not commited, only if it was proven to have been commited.

Secondly I do understand the relevant established views on this broad topic and form my personal opinion on the materials I have seen (note the difference between opinions and facts).

In my personal view what is happening is projection, projection of capabilities and intent. As is it apparent from open western materials (such as the recent leaks) the US system is a proffesional, well organised, well controlled instrument.

This is projected onto Russian state affiliated actors (where Russian actors are indeed reponsible, as cyber attribution is more or less impossible), in that they are well organised and well controlled and thus a non authorised action is unlikely.

To me it appears that the contrary is closer to reality - that Russian actors exist in a quasi-feudal relationship with their individual benefactors in the relevant LE, which causes some embaracing conflicts (such as the recent arrest of the FSB officer who was running "Shaltai-Boltai" group, responsible for leaking Medvedev's emails). Thus even if an attack can be attributed to a specific actor, affiliated with the Russian state, it doesnt mean that Russian state as an institution, or the Russian NCA authorised or were even aware of such attacks.

Catfish 03-25-17 01:58 PM

True. I think after the Stuxnet attack staged by Israel and the US all think that all is possible, without having real intelligence or evidence.

On the other hand if the possibility exists it is most likely that this kind of cyber war is being used, by all. Just logical deduction.

Skybird 03-26-17 07:21 AM

State elections in the Saarland today:

http://www.dw.com/en/merkel-gets-ear...oll/a-38036904

Skybird 03-26-17 03:00 PM

A bit surprisingly the Merkel party won almost 6% to their last result, while the SPD lost 1 or 2 points. Greens are out, AfD stays in.

http://www.dw.com/en/saarland-state-...ear/a-38125722

And this is the so-called "honest" result, which calculates the non-voters ("Nichtwähler", in grey) into the official final results:

https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/32910984/Unbenannt.jpg

Before the national elections in some months, there will come state parliamentary elections in Schleswig-Holstein and Northrhine-Westphalia.

Skybird 03-27-17 04:00 PM

Not politics, but still an odd curiosity of history:

http://www.dw.com/en/125-years-of-ma...any/a-16188583

I heard some foreign politicians would like to have a label "Made not in Germany" :O:

Jimbuna 03-27-17 04:21 PM

Typical....copying us Brits again :hmmm:

Good choice though :smug:

Catfish 04-02-17 03:06 PM

"The act aimed to ensure that all foreign products - which could potentially threaten the success of British merchandise - were branded with a label. It was an attempt to prompt British buyers to "buy British." Each trading nation that wanted to do business in Great Britain had to label its products with their country of origin."

That went really well, did it? :03:


OT Did someone recently spot Oberon? Did not read anything from him lately :hmmm: Hope all is well.

Nippelspanner 04-02-17 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2476420)
OT Did someone recently spot Oberon? Did not read anything from him lately :hmmm: Hope all is well.

Well, you know what they say about Unkraut. :D

Jimbuna 04-03-17 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2476420)


OT Did someone recently spot Oberon? Did not read anything from him lately :hmmm: Hope all is well.

Nothing from him since 29th March on FB :hmmm:

Skybird 04-03-17 04:53 PM

http://www.dw.com/en/new-book-reveal...sis/a-38268542

I mentioned it before.

However, I pick another reading next, in some days the German translation of Jason Brennan: Against Democracy is released in Germany. I expect to agree with his analysis and diagnosis, but I am wondering whether he has a more realisticc, more convincing alternative model to offer than Hans-Herrmann Hoppe (who also filed in the correct analysis and diagnosis, but fell victim a bit to naivety with the alternative he was offering).

Nippelspanner 04-03-17 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Nippelspanner (Post 2476425)
Well, you know what they say about Unkraut. :D

Last Activity: 03-14-2017 05:42 AM

Ok, that's a little atypical for him indeed, maybe there is reason to worry?

Skybird 04-11-17 03:32 PM

No good deed remains unavenged.

http://www.dw.com/en/germans-wanting...tcy/a-38385732

Catfish 04-12-17 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2478304)
No good deed remains unavenged. [...]

This is why we (tapping own shoulder) are the shining example of the whole world, and all have to follow us on our way to .. to .. whatever :03:

Skybird 04-12-17 06:12 AM

^Nothing compares to the Berlin airport...

ikalugin 04-12-17 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2478460)
^Nothing compares to the Berlin airport...

Would you like to tell us about it? :)

Skybird 04-12-17 07:44 AM

The latest narration on it in English I found.

http://www.thejakartapost.com/travel...-counting.html

Costs exploding. Five years late and counting. Too small already at planning state. Weekly costs of millions to just maintain the construction site where no work gets done. The city state of Berlin is not rich, but highly corrupt and subsidized by other states. But always having a big, super-wide mouth. I know Berlin since decades, I lived there. Bah.

And what the article does not say: since some months now first legal experts and external construction experts say the mess is so complete that the whole place will never open and probably will need to get dismantled.

Incometence, planning dilletantism, impostors, personal animosities, fraud, corruption, a completely incompetent senate (Berlin politics since decades are a mess...) - it all came together.

You will find no case in wole Europe that is even close to this mess, not even in Greece.

Hey, in 2013 short before the planned opening I said "Never! Not before another 5 years - minimum!" And now 2018 is coming...

Jimbuna 04-13-17 06:52 AM

^Apply for more EU subsidies :O:

Catfish 04-13-17 07:13 AM

^ what do you think we'll do with the 50 billions :O:

Jimbuna 04-13-17 07:35 AM

Give it to some net receiver no doubt :)


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