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sergbuto 11-09-05 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by AG124
When it comes to completely new ships, no one is saying much about anything. :-?

That is maybe because people are busy doing those. There are plenty original models available. However some of them have difficulties to be imported because it requires significant changes in ZON files. No help from Devs on that.

For example, the list of ships for British Navy which can be processed without significant problems with ZON files and are currently in works

HMS Ark Royal
HMS Furious
HMS Hood
Cloucester-class cruiser
Leander-class cruiser
C-type (1944) DD
V-type DD

AG124 11-09-05 07:56 AM

Good to hear :up:. Those particular ships will prove useful to the campaign in in historical scenarios, particularly the Leander class, the Hood and the Ark Royal.

But if the Furious could be made, then couldn't the Courageous class be made too? They are very similar in design.

chris911 11-09-05 08:54 AM

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But if the Furious could be made, then couldn't the Courageous class be made too? They are very similar in design.
Infact they are of the same origin but the Modifications made on them in later years of the war are different.

AG124 11-09-05 09:23 AM

The Courageaous and Glorious weren't upgraded later in the war, I'm not sure why... :cool:

I didn't mean they could be represented by the same unit, but a Furious model could be changed in Wings3d in a Courageous model - of course the stats would be different, and for the Furious, they should differ for later years. The island would need to be removed in later years, but I'm not sure if it's possible for a unit to have a different model for different years, unless you made a separate unit for those years (such as "Furious, 1944 upgrade").

I don't see how that would affect adapting a Furious model to a Courageous one however. :-?

sergbuto 11-09-05 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AG124
But if the Furious could be made, then couldn't the Courageous class be made too?

I guess it might be possible.

BTW Which US cruisers were employed in the Med?

AG124 11-09-05 01:15 PM

The Philadelphia (Brooklyn Class) was. The carriers Ranger and Wasp were too, for some time.

Also, the Omaha and Wichita served in the Atlantic, and the Augusta was used to transport President Roosevelt to the Atlantic Charter meeting off Newfoundland.

I'm not sure of the others.

chris911 11-09-05 02:33 PM

You re right the modifications on all the 3 carriers of the class took place in the mid 30th. only furious was a flush deck carrier at the beginning of WWII the others had isles.Couragous and Glorious where not in shape to be upgraded later in war ....situated on the ocean floor.

sergbuto 11-09-05 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by AG124
The Philadelphia (Brooklyn Class) was. The carriers Ranger and Wasp were too, for some time.

Also, the Omaha and Wichita served in the Atlantic, and the Augusta was used to transport President Roosevelt to the Atlantic Charter meeting off Newfoundland.

I'm not sure of the others.

I read info about five US cruisers supporting the Allied invasion of Sicily but could not find names of cruisers. I guess those were out of seven cruisers which took part in the Torch operation in the Northen Africa: New Orleans, Wichita, Northampton, Cleveland and Brooklyn class cruisers.

chris911 11-09-05 04:13 PM

Wichita was also detached to the brit. Homefleet for some time , thats also the fate of the US BB Washington and HCr. Tuscaloosa and some destroyers of the US . Those ships mainly served under brit. command during the years 42 and 43 as some kind of help for the british Admirality which had suffered heavy Losses in 1940 to 42 . (they nearly lost half of their fleet of large units by then : Hood, Repulse , Courageous, PoW, Ark Royal, Royal Oak, Barham and Glorious .)

AG124 11-09-05 05:15 PM

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The Courageaous and Glorious weren't upgraded later in the war, I'm not sure why... :cool:


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Couragous and Glorious where not in shape to be upgraded later in war ....situated on the ocean floor.
BTW - Just to be clear, I knew the Courageous and Glorious were sunk, I was just trying to make a joke. :lol:

iambecomelife 11-09-05 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by AG124
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The Courageaous and Glorious weren't upgraded later in the war, I'm not sure why... :cool:


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Couragous and Glorious where not in shape to be upgraded later in war ....situated on the ocean floor.
BTW - Just to be clear, I knew the Courageous and Glorious were sunk, I was just trying to make a joke. :lol:

I was reading about this in one of my references the other day. I can understand why the Glorious did not survive her encounter with the German battlecruisers, but it's strange that the class didn't get adequate underwater protection during their interwar refits. If Courageous had had torpedo bulges equal to, say, the Ark Royal's she would have survived (in theory), or at least sunk slowly enough for many more men to be rescued.

AG124 11-09-05 08:47 PM

According to some accounts I have read, the Japanese carrier Shinano could have been beached and saved. She was torpedoed by the USS Archerfish on the night of 28-29 November, 1944. Her captain, Captain Abe, was too overconfident though, and continued on course instead of heading for the nearest beach. She sank hours later, taking 500 men down with her.

Ironically, right now I am listening to the CD "Day for Night" by the Tragically Hip, specifically to the song "Nautical Disaster." :hmm:

sergbuto 11-10-05 05:17 PM

One more question.

Where did Furious have her funnel during WW2? Where should the origin of the stack smoke be in the Furious model? I could not find any pics or drawings which would provide the answer.

iambecomelife 11-10-05 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sergbuto
One more question.

Where did Furious have her funnel during WW2? Where should the origin of the stack smoke be in the Furious model? I could not find any pics or drawings which would provide the answer.

After her reconstruction, "Furious" had no smokestack; instead, the exhaust was vented aft below the flight deck through slats on the port and starboard of her lower hangar. Think "Akagi" or "Kaga", but without a lateral curving funnel. Smoke should probably be positioned to vent directly from the sides of the hull itself, instead of from a structure. I'm not sure if this is possible.

iambecomelife 11-11-05 06:08 PM

Just wanted to mention that Pack3d and Wings3d have been behaving themselves for the past couple of days. This weekend I'll revive some of the ships that were stalled by the texturing issues.


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