Putin is fully back to what the USSR wanted throughout the cold war.
Driving a wedge between the US and Europe. By that increasing the vulnerability of Europe, and by that making it more porne to blackmail and threatening. Keeping US nuclear tactcial wepaons out of Europe, or get them out. Putin wants back what was lost in the years after Perestroika: the Baltic states are on his wish list, Poland, obviously the Ukraine. He cnanot get it with one big hammerblow, but he can keepo things in a fragile state of lacking staiblity so to keepo Russia's options on the table. A rift in the EU between Russophile appeasers (Germany, france), and hawks (Eastern Europeans, the US) is always helpful. He also wants the licensing of NS2, that woudlk allow him to make money again with delivering gas while also tigheenign the strangling wire around the Ukraine.



In general he wnats to keep the initiave, to keep ahad of the West'ÄS plannign cacle, he wanst eurooe to react, Europe not getting ahead in the action-reaction game. Keep them busy, keep them reacting, give them ever new things to be concerned about and wanting to discuss them, dont let them have a break where they could breath and come to their senses, he thinks.


Every chess player knows it, every military tactician: give the enemy something to be concerned about. Raise ever new threats, and when he has countered them, already have new threats ready to keep him ducking down. Keep him on the defensive, keep him reacting. Fix him in place, while you are manouvering into ever better positions.

Nor NATO or EU is interested in a war with Russia in no way. If Russia does invade Ukraine the response would be, as an EU-politician said on Danish TV. an all-out economical sanction against Russia.

Even if Russia should threaten Poland there will not be a war.

NATO and EU has become psychological weak.

I wonder if we can compare the situation near the border between Russia and Ukraine, with the situation between Germany and Poland 1938 ?

Markus

While Germany has stopped the EU from delivering weapons to the Ukraine (!!! gotta love those Germans...), I think the US does and who mnows, some European nations, in the hidden, do it as well. I recently red attacking the Ukraine in full would become a very costly war for Russia. They would probably win, but it would be costly, and not fast.



They must not anyway. Keeping the Ukraine instabile and on its toes works as good for Russia, for just a fraction of the price of a full war.

European NATO is both military and political weak.
The American part of NATO is military strong but with a weak administration in the White House.

China and Russia know this.

This is why I fear there will be a war in the Donbass region after the Russian new years eve.

Edit
I had no plan on turning this thread into discussing Ukraine. Well I did, so Jim, merge this with my Ukraine thread
End edit

Markus

Ребята, может вы вспомните из за чего началась война на Украине? Так я напомню. Президент Янукович в последний момент отказался подписывать документы о сближении с Евросоюзом. Условия были очень не выгодны для Украины. И тут же в этой стране вспыхнул "майдан" ( революция). Тогдашний президент Янукович согласился сложить свои полномочия и уйти с поста, лишь бы не развязалась война. Гарантами этого соглашения выступили Германия и Франция. Но они обманули его и в Киеве начали убивать людей, Януковичь сбежал в Россию а к власти пришёл Порошенко и подписал с Евросоюзом эти соглашения. Тут же в Украину приехала Виктория Нуланд и накормила людей евро-печеньем. Донбасс отказался сотрудничать с Киевом и признавать власть Порошенко. Который пришел к ней не легитимным путем. Порошенко вместо полицейской операции на Донбассе, предпочел военную операцию и ввел войска против части фактически своего народа. На Донбассе началась война. Россия оказывает гуманитарную помощь Донбассу и отправляет гум конвои в этот край. Украина объявила торговую блокаду Донбассу и официально запретила ввозить товары из Украины в Донбасс и вывела свою национальную валюту с этого края. Если бы не Россия тут был бы голод.
Сейчас Украина в кабале Евросоюза ( это моё личное мнение). Из этой страны почти сразу начали вывозить чернозем, залежи янтаря, лес с западной Украины, остановили и развалили военное производств и многое другое. Все это почти за бесценок перевозится в Европу.
У меня вопрос. При чем тут Россия?

Dear astvitaliy1982
I can't get the head and tail in what you wrote in Russian when translated into English.

Here is what it says in English

Markus

Here try this one.

Russia has everything to do with it. NATO needs Russia as an adversary to justify its existence, Russia must be seen as the devil’s grandmother. Though I can see one day Russia having to choose to join NATO to counter those Chicoms in the east. You got to admit Russia has a truckload of untapped resources China would love to claim. But right now by inviting Russia’s satellite countries we are basically removing Russia’s bargaining chips. Makes it easier to see things our way when they choose to join NATO ;)

The main reason to why I created this thread was that I read, as mentioned at start-Russia accuse NATO to prepare for war against them.

I have nothing against Russia, NATO, USA or some other country.

I'm wondering why this accusation ?

NATO is as I see it in no way capable to fight a full scale war with Russia.

Markus

Following is part of an article. It's about the phone call between Biden and Putin later today Thursday.

At the same time, Putin has demanded that Ukraine must never become part of NATO and that NATO must withdraw its forces from Eastern Europe.

This applies to countries such as the former Soviet republics of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, as well as Poland, the Czech Republic and Romania. Countries that until 1989 were part of the Soviet bloc.

All these countries are today members of NATO

How steadfast are the Russians on these two points?
NATO can never agree to leave countries like Poland, Romania a.s.o.

Markus

Additionally to the reasons by Putin that I posted above, I think he plays it the way he does also because of one obvious fact: he does not take Biden serious. Biden was weighed and found too light. Russia currently is not afraid of the US. Nor seems China to be. And Europe? Europe does not even count, I think.


The latest Zirkon missile tests by Russia should really concern everbody in the West. They have the potential to let the maritime strategy of the US navy collapse. That both Russia and China have such weapons, is not good.

As I wrote
The American part of NATO is military strong but with a weak administration in the White House.

Markus

Agreed :yep:

Biden and Putin had a chat yesterday. They used diplomacy when discussing Ukraine and Eastern Europe.

In plain English-It didn't solve anything this phone conversation they had-In fact it has worsen(Said by a Danish expert on US-Russian relationships)

Markus

Russia's Vladimir Putin has warned his US counterpart Joe Biden that imposing new sanctions over Ukraine could lead to a complete breakdown in relations.

In a phone call late on Thursday, the Russian president said such sanctions would be a "colossal mistake".

Mr Biden, meanwhile, told Mr Putin that the US and its allies would respond decisively to any invasion of Ukraine.

The call, requested by Russia, was the pair's second such conversation this month and lasted for almost an hour.

It marked the latest effort to defuse tensions over Ukraine's eastern border with Russia, where Ukrainian officials say more than 100,000 Russian troops have been sent.

The build-up has prompted concern in the West, with the US threatening Mr Putin with sanctions "like none he's ever seen" if Ukraine comes under attack.

Russia, however, denies it is planning to invade the country and says the troops are there for exercises. It says it is entitled to move its troops freely on its own soil.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-59832722