Just went through that to get my real ID driver's license so I could use it to fly domestically and in the process you are also required to re-register to vote.

Of course all the illegal aliens just picked them up out of a candy jar so they could vote the democratic ticket....

I didn't have a clue where my birth certificate was so I used my Passport. It had been expired maybe a year. Idiots at the MVA in Maryland said they couldn't use it as proof of citizenship because it was expired. So I had to renew it before they would issue a drivers license.

I work immigration for years, never in my life have I heard anyone before tell me an expired U.S. passport could not be used to validate citizenship. But it is the Maryland Eastern Shore and they aren't the brightest bulbs in the lamp store.


Land of the free :roll:

I have a notarized birth certificate that I had to get years ago to get my passport which is currently expired. Otherwise I would have had to jump through the hoops in a different county all over again.

Smoking gun (pun) :o

https://www.yahoo.com/news/saudi-pri...185155362.html

Saudi prince was in constant touch with Khashoggi hit-squad boss: report

^ it will not change the stance of the US, or Trump. I can understand why but it's really hard to take.
If he's clever maybe Trump can use the public opinion towards MBS as a leverage to achieve (read: enforce) an advantage in negotiations?

Maybe, to make an example, there'll be a sniper at the G20.. or a bit later in S.A. One can hope.

What really bothers me the most about the articles I've been reading is how the CIA is making these claims. IMO they are attempting to subvert our elected officials and dictate foreign policy to their liking.

If I'm not mistaken the CIA is supposed to report their findings to the officials elected by the people and they make the decisions.

There could well be something in what you say :hmmm:

A CIA conspiracy! Against Trump !!
Good for them :O:

On the other hand it could be an intended media echo to give Trump more leverage in the G20 against Mohammad Bin Salman, and future deals.

After CIA briefing, Republicans say 'no question' Saudi crown prince ordered Khashoggi murder

Was or is there any doubt that Bin Salman is directly responsible for the torture, and killing?
It is one thing to make "Realpolitik" like Trump, but publicly saying that MBS is innocent is a bit rich.

"If your actions do not resemble your principles, it is time to rethink them."

Matters seem to have quietened down :hmmm:

Of course. The good Senators were asked what they should do about the situation! As we all know it's a lot easier just to criticize the actions of someone else than to actually come up with a better plan.

No doubt the Saudis will view this as the end of the matter but I doubt that view will be shared by many other countries.

Pawn sacrifice.