They hate us because we're the Great Satan, unbelievers, ifidels, we could sit infront of the TV all day twiddling our thumbs and they would still hate us. It sucks but thats the way it is I guess. Read their charter, it is mostly quotes from the koran as their motivation to kill you. They also have aims of establishing an Islamic State. That might be the problem with some in the west. Which is why we're seeing a bit of friction.

Look on the brightside we do have something in common with ISIL. We both support the overthrow of the current Syrian government. Its getting better.

^ :rotfl2:

When i see the picture of those black-clothed nuts i think we urgently need a Monty Pythons piece about it :03:

And then get anonymous to hack their channels and play the sketches over and over and over and over.

Every time they'll try to recruit someone or tell the world about their exploits and murders, a video of isis fighters running from a man in a cardboard jet and the Benny Hill theme playing.

That is part of it for sure. They also hate us because we've been in their countries exploiting them for hundreds of years. Where do they get their weapons? Again, both sides against the middle.

How's that working out? Seems to me we did the same thing in Iraq. Yep turned out good. There will soon be no countries left to destroy.

The hole we are digging is getting deeper.

Another related news story is that Russia has confirmed that a bomb brought down their aircraft over the Sinai last week.

Quote : At a meeting with President Vladimir V. Putin, Federal Security Service head Alexander Bortnikov said that traces of explosives found in the plane’s wreckage indicated that an improvised explosive device had been detonated on board.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...483_story.html

Isis has claimed responsibility but that doesn't make it so until it's investigated and confirmed. What is true however is that Russia and France have both suffered devastating loses to their non military people in as many weeks from terrorism. If countries of Europe like Russia and France and others understand that not only do they share a common enemy but perhaps a common goal and work together, I don't think there is a much they couldn't do. Maybe these episodes of terrorism will be enough to unify and mobilize the international community. As U crank and others pointed out though, this may well just be treating the symptoms and not the root cause .

What does everyone else think ?

Update: Anonumyous has declared "war" on ISIS
They say that ISIS should expect heavy cyberattacks, and that they can't get away with the atttacks.
I say: Spot on!

Syria was mentioned earlier, so let's look at it from above, the fair way, taking a look at the situation from a broad point of view, not from any country in particular.

1. NATO is dropping bombs on ISIS for one year now. :salute:

2. NATO is the biggest largest powerful military force in the whole world. And I don't think anyone would disagree with that.
In the whole world, yes, the greatest and most powerful one is waging war on ISIS, for 1 year now ! :yeah:

3. And for one year, that ISIS thingy became stronger and stronger. :hmmm:

So NATO, who are you fooling, eh ? Do you think us to be donkeys ? :hmm2:


Putin waited for 1 year. And then he did 2 things.
He got an official request of the syrian government, a request for assistance. The government of Syria calling on Russia for assistance, he went to the russian parliament, and the russian parliament gave him authority to respond and accept, and then to intervene.

The West didn't do that. Britain didn't do that. France didn't do that.
And so, Russia entered through the front door, while they went through the back door.

In a matter of weeks, Russia has already achieved more than NATO was able to achieve in one year. :doh:

The West keeps making Russia look like the Devil, doing its best to isolate it. The russian air force has been waging strikes for some weeks now, was able to come on the stage and achieve a spectacular victory, in the full daylight of History, making NATO look like a bunch of fools. They can't allow that to happen. So what will they have to do ? They'll have to respond, they'll have to up the ante, escalating the conflict, finding some excuse to intervene militarily to respond to the russian intervention.

And when NATO ups the ante, Russia will come back, and up the ante again, because Russia is saying : "we're not afraid of you".

Whose interests ISIS is really fighting for, who created it, and what is it going to lead to in the end ?
Take your own conclusions from that.

Where do the weapons come from? Well, Tony Cartalucci at New Eastern Outlook seems to have an opinion about that.

http://journal-neo.org/2015/06/09/lo...-get-its-guns/


He was also was wondering where all those brand new Toyota trucks we see them riding around in came from too.

http://journal-neo.org/2015/10/09/th...a-army-solved/

That's kinda funny since Russia has been Syria's ally for over 50 years. I don't think you have to be told that the West is trying to get rid of Assad. And the Russians will only keep him until they get what they want. My guess is he'll have an 'accident'. And Russia will have an increased military presence in the region.

Care to elaborate?

Care to comment on the fact that the Russians are targeting rebel groups fighting against Assad and not ISIS only?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...argetting-isis

http://globalnews.ca/news/2317192/ru...-to-activists/

I'm not a terrorist and I would rather shoot myself than hurt another person

If I was the leader of a terrorgroup and I saw the picture of a shield

I would say to some of my members. Find out which type of ammo that can penetrate this shield and what kind of weapon these ammo goes to.

I would do anything to get newer type of weapons.

And I would start to educate my soldier a little better.

Markus

True and as August said other rifles are more accurate. The AK47 has a shorter barrel than the M16 and I believe shorter than the standard M4(14 inches). Of course an M4 will have less effective range than an M16 while due to the shorter barrel.

In its element the AK47 is a devastatingly effective weapon. Of course all combat rifles are a design compromise to some extent.

Another question

France has asked other EU-members for assistance in the war against Daesh

Every other EU-countries has said yes to give military aid to France

Today on the Swedish online News paper aftonbladet.se

I could read the Swedish primeminister saying

We are not at war.

Is that true or is it more a "word-jigsaw"(don't know the real word for it)

´cause this is how I see it

Country A is attacked by country B. Country A asked country C and D for assistance, both country say yes, so country C and D have Indirectly decleared country B war.

Sweden as country-C, has by joined France country -A, declared war against Daesh country B

Markus

I wouldn't go that far. Yes, they most likely have archived many of their goals. I'm quite sure those are not same goals as the West has. Whatever the case this is far from victory.

Why not? Russia is just one actor with its spoon in geopolitical soup. Its primary intrest (I believe) is to guarantee access to Mediterranean. Its in their best interests to have relatively stable and friendly regime regime in Syria.

Any rebel group - ISIS, Al Qaida, Free Syrian Army et. al. - is bad thing. As first step cleaning the house from lesser troubles makes sense as it releases resources to fight with more dangerous foe. As NATO, Peshmerga, Iraqis et. al. keep ISIS occupied there is no real urgency in that front. They can be dealt with later when time is right.

@Mapuc, I believe it when I see it. Right now its politically impossible to say "No." to France's request. Saying "Yes!" however does not mean that anything will follow. For example Finnish law restricts our govermenets possibilities to peacekeeping (not peacemaking or warfare), intelligence and other such support measures.

Why not. It's a big bowl.

I'm afraid the stable part is a ship that has sailed. It ain't comin' back. Another Mid East country that will never be the same.

Oh yea, that appears to be the plan. And they have no qualms about bombing the crap out of Syrian civilians who happen to support the rebels.