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Special Report - British voters heading for a Disunited Kingdom

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The days when the Conservatives and Labour simply swapped places in running the UK are done, said Roy Hattersley, a former deputy leader of the Labour Party and a politician since the 1960s.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/special-re...4.html#GloF9sz

This report comes across OK. :up:

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Voters Left In Dark Over Spending Cuts, Says IFS

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/voters-dar...4.html#5IC2L40

Simple people..

Tories non stop cuts
Labour probably 50% cuts
Liberals trim away and keep trimming away.
SNP no idea I shall leave that to our Scottish forum members to fill that one in.

What do you think of this election so far? For me apart from the wet paper bag I have noticed in the early stages UKIP was the big bad wolf now shot to ribbons by the three main party's who now have turn their big guns on the SNP. Seems to me the big three do not like being pricked by the smaller party's. :hmmm:

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2308825)

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/voters-dar...4.html#5IC2L40

Simple people..

Tories non stop cuts
Labour probably 50% cuts
Liberals trim away and keep trimming away.
SNP no idea I shall leave that to our Scottish forum members to fill that one in.

Officially I'd say that the SNP would be "spend a little bit more and cut very slowly whilst growing the economy".

At least that's the impression I get from the manifesto. They're going after Labour's vote in the Western Central Belt, so they have to sound suitably left wing for the voters in that area.:hmmm:

Mike.

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Originally Posted by ExFishermanBob (Post 2308793)

I'm wondering if, when the change of leaders comes in the LibDems and (UK) Cons, they might both choose female leaders (Theresa May for the Cons, don't know who for the LibDems). They moved to Blair-alikes after he seemed successful, so Sturgeon-alikes could be next on the cards.
Ruth would probably fit that profile better than May - Scottish, nippy, used to Salmond and company, good performer, and so on.

I think, though, splitting off and becoming truly Scottish (by which I mean local / country-specific) could well happen for both parties (or new ones will arise and replace them). Scotland might then have a political feel akin to Northern Ireland (well, loosely) where what happens is pretty much a matter of indifference to the 'UK'. Mind you, there are more seats in Scotland.

I completely agree that small-c conservative (maybe even some big-C ones too) ideas are needed for balance, at least that is my opinion (I can't give you anything that is fact regarding that). I also wonder at the toxicity of Thatcher: my sons only know of her as a distant, historical figure and are not really influenced by her memory, but are by (say) food banks and the like.
Yes, Scottish Labour really needs to free itself from its old outlook - their underlying mass support (shipyards, mine workers) is, quite literally, dying off. Its total antipathy to the SNP is just distorting them (they even vote agains their own amendments, silly buggers): perhaps a wipeout is just what they need to wake them up and perhaps get some new blood. I actually think that's the difference with the Tories in Scotland - because they have only 1 MP, nothing they do really matters to Westminster, so they have the freedom to be more pragmatic (for instance, influencing and then supporting the SNP's budget when the latter were in a minority government).

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2308830)

Certainly as far as Aberdeen's concerned, I'm not seeing much activity "on the ground". A few leaflets through the door, but that's it. As I posted earlier, I'd guess that the SNP is focusing it's efforts online and in the Western Central Belt. Labour the same whilst as for the Scots Tories and Lib Dems I have no idea what they're up to. Though La Davidson did visit the city a day or two ago.

As for what Cameron et al are doing re Scotland, I'm tending to agree with Lords Forsyth and Tebbit. A very dangerous game which could lead to the Tories being eaten alive by English nationalism, perhaps?:hmmm:

Mike.

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Originally Posted by MGR1 (Post 2308844)

Agree with all of that.:up: One thing the SNP need to be wary of is being branded "Weegie SNP" in the same way SLAB is seen as "Weegie Labour" - it'll kill they're support in the rural areas. It's already caused my parents to say they're no longer going to vote for them now that "the Weegies" have taken over the party.:hmmm:

Certainly as far as Aberdeen's concerned, I'm not seeing much activity "on the ground". A few leaflets through the door, but that's it. As I posted earlier, I'd guess that the SNP is focusing it's efforts online and in the Western Central Belt. Labour the same whilst as for the Scots Tories and Lib Dems I have no idea what they're up to. Though La Davidson did visit the city a day or two ago.

As for what Cameron et al are doing re Scotland, I'm tending to agree with Lords Forsyth and Tebbit. A very dangerous game which could lead to the Tories being eaten alive by English nationalism, perhaps?:hmmm:

Mike.

I had my first SNP leaflets the other day. Up until then it has been one Tory leaflet and a whole load of Lib-dem literature. I think they are the most rattled by Alec Salmond. The Gordon rep for the Lib-dems just doesn't inspire me at all.

Well, as it is St. George's day, and old Shakey's birthday, this, I think, applies to the SNP.

There is a tide in the affairs of men.
Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
Omitted, all the voyage of their life
Is bound in shallows and in miseries.
On such a full sea are we now afloat,
And we must take the current when it serves,
Or lose our ventures.

Submitting they and their, as appropriate.

OH PLEASE YES PLEASE...

Nick Clegg looks like he could loose his seat.

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Election 2015: Sheffield Hallam turns on 'traitor' Nick Clegg as Labour storms into contention

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/election-2...0.html#MFMxwsL

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Originally Posted by MGR1 (Post 2308844)

That 'weegian' thing is interesting, I had wondered about that myself.

No posters here, nor in Dundee, nor did I see any in Glasgow this week.

I suspect that you are correct about Cameron: he seems a bit short-sighted to me. No thought about what could come after.

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2308939)

OH PLEASE YES PLEASE...

Nick Clegg looks like he could loose his seat.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/election-2...0.html#MFMxwsL

I wonder who would replace him - Tim Fallon is being mentioned (as LibDem leader).

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Originally Posted by ExFishermanBob (Post 2308960)

That 'weegian' thing is interesting, I had wondered about that myself.

Never underestimate the degree of dislike/antipathy towards Glasgow felt by many in the rest of Scotland.

It's reciprocated fully and with gusto of course!:03: Sometimes in good humour, sometimes not, depending on the situation.:hmmm:

Aberdeen FC fans generally get on OK with those of Celtic, but I can't remember the last time that there wasn't trouble between Dons and Rangers fans. All because of a dodgy tackle, IIRC.

Mind you, apart from Hearts, I can't think of any team's fans that Rangers supporters get on with.....:hmmm:

Anyway, back to politics, it does appear that SLAB's toast on the Clyde:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...wn-in-scotland

BTW, has anyone noticed that Sturgeon favours wearing red? Plus shoulder pads?

Mike.

I thought it was salmond pink :hmmm:

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Originally Posted by MGR1 (Post 2309100)

BTW, has anyone noticed that Sturgeon favours wearing red? Plus shoulder pads?

Mike.

Must be a big fan of "Dynasty" :hmmm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FenPxRDo410

Errr.....:har:

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2308939)

OH PLEASE YES PLEASE...

Nick Clegg looks like he could loose his seat.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/election-2...0.html#MFMxwsL

Hope he loses his seat along with (many other Tories) but these two defiantly.
Esther McVey
Iain Duncan Smith

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Originally Posted by BossMark (Post 2309195)

Hope he loses his seat along with (many other Tories) but these two defiantly.
Esther McVey
Iain Duncan Smith

No complaint from me, out of the two IDS is probably in a safer seat.

I shall check it now and post below

Esther McVey Majority 2,436 (6.2%)
Iain Duncan Smith Majority 12,963 (30.1%)

Yep I was right.