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This is after all just a message board, but some of you have turned it into a paddleball board :woot:

I like wacthing Tribesman work his sheep, but he that wants everyone else to be right has to be right in his own right :know:

I leave you with this message:
www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+24%3A6-8&version=NKJV
And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. ... but the end is not yet in sight

(see even has a link)

Here I go. It should have been obvious to anyone who bothered to notice, that these Arab states were/are all held together by ruthless leadership or they fall apart into brawling factions. But that didn't matter because too many people in the US just wanted to kick some Arab, or anybody that looked Arab, butt. The juggernaut was unstoppable.

I made that point to co-workers and was met with stupid questions like "So you think Saddam is a nice man?" It was pointless to argue against attacking. The bogeyman was named and the propaganda was flowing.

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But that didn't matter because too many people in the US just wanted to kick some Arab, or anybody that looked Arab, butt. The juggernaut was unstoppable.

You did no go to Iraq to kick some Arab ass....

No? That's what the blue collar people I talked with wanted. WMD's were just the selling point.

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid (Post 2027681)

No? That's what the blue collar people I talked with wanted. WMD's were just the selling point.

I suppose it was easer to sell than some geopolitical projects.
It all must be about oil or ass kicking... right?

Look at Syria thousand are ding there but it is all about weather they will or will not use chemical weapons.

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Originally Posted by MH (Post 2027684)

Maybe it's all about chemweps in Israel but over here the Syrian civil war has been nightly news for months now. In any case don't you think their use is worth making a big deal over?

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Originally Posted by August (Post 2027745)

Maybe it's all about chemweps in Israel but over here the Syrian civil war has been nightly news for months now. In any case don't you think their use is worth making a big deal over?

It is on the news here as well for a lot of reasons.

I'm not saying it is not big deal but is it a crossing of red line in terms of humane behaviour after slaughtering thousands and thousands?

Death Star destruction was 'an inside job':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=2dvv-Yib1Xg

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Originally Posted by MH (Post 2027757)

It is on the news here as well for a lot of reasons.

I'm not saying it is not big deal but is it a crossing of red line in terms of humane behaviour after slaughtering thousands and thousands?

I don't know who says it's a red line but it does indicate a very worrying escalation of the conflict don't you agree?

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat (Post 2027576)

He is the one who claimed that it was obvious to everyone that there would be a civil war, when it obviously was not. As usual, he is just trying to score cheap debating points and is not interested in the truth.

I can't argue against that. He has admitted that he is just playing games with you.

If you want links that provide evidence for Cheney, Powell, Bush having lied about WMDs to get the US into war, and how they manipulated the media to 'follow' them, i can provide some german ones - but i guess the german ones alone would eat up Neal's server space :03:

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Originally Posted by August (Post 2027765)

I don't know who says it's a red line but it does indicate a very worrying escalation of the conflict don't you agree?

But not very surprising if it actually happened.

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It is sort of on topic of the off topic:haha:
If you like theories....don't know if it fits into your world view though.

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Where Does Syria’s Chemical Weapons Come From?

Daily Witness December 10, 2012
Last week, the world was told that Syria’s President Bashar Assad is poised to use chemical weapons against his own people in a last-ditch effort to retain power despite his growing unpopularity.
Such a maneuver can certainly be classified as insane, because it would have the opposite result of that which is intended. Most likely, the people of Syria in combination with the people of the world would not only depose Assad, but would try him for war crimes as well — should he live that long!
The government of Syria says it would never use chemical weapons against its own people, but we must ask why Assad would even have chemical weapons were he unwilling to use them. Perhaps he thought they would be necessary in a war against Israel — the target of opportunity for Muslim states throughout the region. But since Israel is a known nuclear power, that would be even more insane — and more suicidal — than using the weapons in his own country.
The fact that there is no sane use for chemical weapons does raise the question of why Syria would have ever developed such weapons in the first place. For many years, Syria denied that it even had chemical weapons, but that changed on July 23 of this year, when Assad may have thought it wise to pose a threat that would make the world uncertain whether he was a madman or not!
Which brings us to another madman who liked to play with chemical weapons — Saddam Hussein.
In fact, there has been a story around since 2006 that Syria inherited a large chemical weapons stash from its neighbor Iraq when Hussein tried to rid his country of evidence of WMDs just before the 2003 invasion that toppled him from power.
That story has received blessed little attention over the years in large part because it would have given credence to the claims of the Bush White House that Saddam was a clear and present danger. Since the prevailing narrative among the mainstream media in Washington, D.C., was that Bush had “lied” about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction, it would have been highly inconvenient to discover that such weapons had existed after all.
Nonetheless, the evidence is fairly compelling because of its source — retired General George Sada of the Iraqi Air Force. Sada had returned to service at Saddam’s request during the invasion of Kuwait in 1990, but lost favor when he refused orders to execute POWs. That’s a pretty good testament to his character, in my opinion.
After Saddam fell from power in 2003, Gen. Sada was appointed as national security adviser by interim leader Iyad Allawi. During that time, Sada would have been privy to state secrets, and thus his claim in his 2006 book, “Saddam’s Secrets,” that Saddam had smuggled WMDs out of Iraq to Syria certainly deserved at least a full hearing. Instead, it was taken up mostly in narrow conservative circles and widely ignored by the more liberal mainstream press.
Sada described the transport of the deadly weapons in an interview with the New York Sun shortly after the book was published in January 2006:
“There are weapons of mass destruction gone out from Iraq to Syria, and they must be found and returned to safe hands,” Sada was quoted as saying. He told the Sun that the weapons were smuggled out on two commercial airliners that were stripped of seating in order to turn them into clandestine cargo planes. Sada said the pilots, who were friends of his from the Iraqi Air Force, told him they flew a total of 56 flights to Syria.
According to the Sun interview, “Special Republican Guard brigades loaded materials onto the planes … including ‘yellow barrels with skull and crossbones on each barrel.’ The pilots said there was also a ground convoy of trucks.”
And according to Sada, the weapons were received in Syria by a cousin of none other than President Assad “who is known variously as General Abu Ali, Abu Himma, or Zulhimawe.”
The story was never confirmed, but it should be noted that there was other testimony that such a transfer had occurred. According to the New York Sun, “An article in the Fall 2005 Middle East Quarterly reports that in an appearance on Israel’s Channel 2 on December 23, 2002, Israel’s prime minister, Ariel Sharon, stated, ‘Chemical and biological weapons which Saddam is endeavoring to conceal have been moved from Iraq to Syria.’”
U.S. Undersecretary of State John Bolton, likewise, in 2003 testified before Congress that he was aware of reports that Saddam had transferred WMDs to Syria and that he considered the reports to be a “cause of concern.”
Unfortunately, we may never know whether any of the weapons in the hands of Bashar Assad originated in Iraq. Bolton confirmed the problem in his 2003 testimony when he made it clear that Syria already had “one of the most advanced Arab state chemicals weapons capabilities, including nerve agents sarin and VX.”
That being the case, along with Bolton’s confidence that Syria believed that its chemical weapons capability “serves as a deterrent to regional adversaries,” we are probably going to be left with a mystery, unless the impending collapse of the Syrian government results in a new book called “Assad’s Secrets.”
But that, too, would likely be dismissed as inconclusive or fiction were it to support the claims of the Bush administration. Some things never change.
By Frank Miele

For August, some reminders:

President Bush and british colleague Tony Blair on a press conference in Camp David, stating Iraq had WMDs this being the reason to support the US for an invasion. A lot of Americans were angry that US journalists seemed to have forgotten to ask any questions:

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Former Foreign minister Powell in his meanwhile (in)famous speech before the United Nations, claiming the existnce of WMDs with "found" probes of WMDs allegedly from Iraq, provided by a US secret service.
Does anyone remember Powell's later appearance, and what he said THEN ? I do.

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One year after the invasion of Iraq Bush in his speech at Fort Campbell, Kentucky (march 18th, 2004,) still claims the troops are in Iraq to find the Saddam Hussein regime's WMDs :

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Judith Miller, star reporter of the "New York Times" published report after report of "evidence" of WMDs allegedly having been found in Iraq (b.t.w. where is she now?). After Powell's appearance before the UN (see above) "Washington Post" reporter Richard Cohen said that only charlatans - or frenchmen - would now doubt the existence of WMDs in Iraq. The few reportes who dared to contradict such statements, were banned to the rearmost pages, or fired:

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Lets stop here please. Anyone who thinks they did not lie suffers from a serious lack of a sense of reality.

I have been following this thread with interest. I can't remember everything that have been said before the invasion of Iraq.

Why I Post a response is because today the danish channel DR2 had a whole afternoon about the Iraq war

I'm not perfect in English grammar and I can't remember every word that was said in this program

But I do remember what a danish politician(Mogens Lykketoft) said

Today we know, that

There was no WMD
There was no connection to 9/11
There was no connection to some terrorist group

We(Denmark) went to war on huge lies.

When he said that, it made me remember a danish party(SF) Who a couples a year, ago demanding that everything about the Iraq war was being investigated, they want to see if Denmark went to war on a lie. I don't know if there is a such a inquiry has been started, but I do remember some other politician saying

That would mean that we need to access secret papers from CIA...forget it.

Markus

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Originally Posted by MH (Post 2027677)

You did no go to Iraq to kick some Arab ass....

Well since one definition of Arab is one who speaks Arabic (the other being genealogical) http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Arab

And since Arabic is one of the official languages of Iraq........:)