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Wolferz 06-11-14 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2215489)
Your surprised?

Not at all. I knew it was going to be a waste the moment it started with Bush Sr's Gulf War to kick Saddam out of Kuwait. Then he stops the whole shebang short of taking out Saddam. I guess he wanted to save that task for Junior while they continued to slant drill into Iraqi oil fields. :roll:

Crooks rule. Dictators drool.:haha:

Dread Knot 06-11-14 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolferz (Post 2215501)
Not at all. I knew it was going to be a waste the moment it started with Bush Sr's Gulf War to kick Saddam out of Kuwait. Then he stops the whole shebang short of taking out Saddam. I guess he wanted to save that task for Junior while they continued to slant drill into Iraqi oil fields. :roll:

Crooks rule. Dictators drool.:haha:


Yeah. Mosul. The Iraqi army just dropped their weapons and ran for it, and they left a whole depot of nifty and expensive US-supplied weapons and armored vehicles for the insurgents to pick up.

Shades of the ARVN.

Dread Knot 06-11-14 10:11 AM

The latest new is that Saddam Hussein's old hometown of Tikrit has been overrun by the same militants. What tactics did we train in Iraqi Army in? Dropping your weapon so you can run faster?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-27800319

Hopefully, someone will bother to alert the American Embassy before they roll into Baghdad. :doh:

Wolferz 06-11-14 11:34 AM

Full circle?
 
Back to the Sunnis and Shiites fighting for control, with Al Qaida in the mix to boot.:nope:

Oberon 06-11-14 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Dread Knot (Post 2215574)
Hopefully, someone will bother to alert the American Embassy before they roll into Baghdad. :doh:

I remember this film...

http://www.wolfenotes.com/wp-content.../10/SAigon.jpg

Skybird 06-11-14 12:22 PM

Der Kreis schließt sich.

Mr Quatro 06-11-14 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mittelwaechter (Post 2215433)
"We" bothered, because Hussein wanted to sell oil for Euros or gold (just like Gaddafi, so "we" had to save the Petrodollar) and because he was a threat to Israel (they have a strong influence on American politics).

WMD's and liberating people was the official story for the folks to support the war.
Some simple minds even thought he was involved in 9/11.

Don't forget Gaddafi did have WMD and he wanted to use them to destroy America and in turn blame Saddam Hussein ... diabolical plot that the FBI foiled (no cite available)

Mittelwaechter 06-11-14 02:12 PM

http://rt.com/news/economy-oil-gold-libya/

http://www.truthistreason.net/death-...table-collapse

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...r-1798175.html

Skybird 06-11-14 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Quatro (Post 2215619)
Don't forget Gaddafi did have WMD and he wanted to use them to destroy America and in turn blame Saddam Hussein ... diabolical plot that the FBI foiled (no cite available)

As a matter of fact his son talked him into handing the nuclear components over to the uS, they were flown out of Lybia by the US years ago.

The result was France and Britain daring to directly intervening in the Libya war, and the turmoil right now.

Catfish 06-11-14 02:54 PM

Well i wonder if the western nations will be able to hold up the petro dollar. And I really wonder if this monopoly breaking away would be good, for us westerners :hmmm:

Skybird 06-11-14 03:20 PM

The petrodollar system is a construction that tries to found power and influence on a bubble of illusions. Take away the paper money system and the money printers running 24/7, and the petrodollar is dead. So are the interests of those basing their doing on it.

It's all short-living illusions, not lasting fundaments.

Gazprom has managed to turn 95% of its deals into contracts paid for in Euros, not in dollars anymore. China wants to get rid of the petrodollar as well, and it will. OPEC wanted it as well, but was so far talked out of it by the US due to the diplomatic relations and military deals the US maintained with several OPEC states in the ME. But in the mid-term run, the show is over for the US. Russia and China prepare to run deals for resources in Yuan and Rubel, not Dollar anymore. Since the Ukraine crisis, the Russians have intensified these efforts, and were given a warm welcome by the Chinese. Both are natural allies against the dollar, and euro as well.

CaptainMattJ. 06-11-14 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2215648)
Well i wonder if the western nations will be able to hold up the petro dollar. And I really wonder if this monopoly breaking away would be good, for us westerners :hmmm:

And yet, people still vehemently attack renewable energy as an industry looking to destroy american jobs. Truth is, the more dependent on oil and gas we become, the worse things are going to be for us. It doesn't matter if you deny climate change, the benefits of self-sustaining, renewable energy are too beneficial to pass up. The entire idea that we'd invade another country mainly for control of oil trade is disgusting, to say the least. Hundreds of thousands of people have died in that toilet of a country, and for what? Anybody with half a brain stem couldve seen the instant collapse of Iraq after we left. There wasn't any real "nation-building". With saddam dead, another psychotic militant leader will arise. We did nothing but throw away hundreds of thousands of lives (4,487 americans dead and 32,223 wounded), up to $6 trillion when everything is said and done, and give terrorist organizations more fuel for their jihad. There is absolutely NOTHING commendable about the war in Iraq, and the bush administration was entirely responsible, not only for the war but for the mass deception and propaganda imposed on the American people.

You know what we couldve done with that $6 trillion that were going to end up paying for Iraq? Put the ENTIRE country on renewable energy. Start up tens of thousands of jobs to maintain and install the equipment. And more than likely we would've had alot of money left over to invest in SCHOOLS and HEALTHCARE. Our insatiable appetite for oil is a dangerous road. Many of you should have firsthand experience of the OPEC crisis. I'm sorry. but theres no reason we shouldnt be trying our hardest to get rid of our dependency on oil. At the bare minimum, we need to cut our consumption enough so that we never have to import another drop of oil from other countries. Oil/coal companies have been screwing people since the mid 1800s. Oil companies have free reign to use oil futures, instead of real supply and demand, to dictate prices. Every year they conveniently have an oil rig malfunction and claim that they HAVE to jack up prices (which is completely false) because they dont make enough, when in reality, oil companies collectively have millions of barrels of oil in reserve above and beyond the reserves set aside in case of war. They do it because they know they have the country by the balls. When gas prices go up, so does almost everything else.

Renewable energy is key to the self-sustainability and economic independence of this country.

mapuc 06-11-14 03:35 PM

A simple question

This "Petrodollar"-thing isn't it some kind of hoax or conspiracy ?

Markus

Skybird 06-11-14 04:24 PM

It is a political function, strategically used to parasitically suck money from deals done by two people whose deal has nothing to do with you directly and in which you are not involved. Doing these deals in non-dollar currency or by abandoning the paper money system, would cost the parasite an awful lot of money that else never would have become his. That's why the parasite even wages wars to prevent the changing of the petrodollar regime. It's like a money cheat in a game that generates an certain additonal income for the player at the beginning of every turn, independent from any game events, legal game mechanism and rules.

If you suck in air and pump up your chest, you throw a bigger shadow. But it is just air, no muscles.

Mr Quatro 06-11-14 04:49 PM

In a way gas pumps are a lot like slot machines they just give you enough to keep you playing down the way ...:yep:


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