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Catfish 06-16-12 03:13 AM

O ... k, you have convinced me. I rest my "case", if there ever was one :-?
It still does not explain the coming down of the 3 buildings, but i really think it was just so obvious that nobody thought about removing evidence when trying to remove the rubble in the heart of a city.

It is interesting though you find more on the web about conspiracy theories and "evidence" about a hoax, than the real thing. Or, the first is at least easier to find .. but maybe this is not so surprising ..

I saw the pictures Dowly posted, for the first time, but they can indeed be found everywhere http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=87594 - thanks !
Of course, this link http://www.oilempire.us/pentagon.html will probably be busted just due to its name, at least by some :03: .. but it is indeed a good collection of thoughts, for the most probable explanation why someone would make up statements contradicting the obvious or official ones.

Thanks and greetings,
Catfish

P.S: of course, Tribesman's theory of a welsh steam train hitting has something ... but why do they need double-rimmed wheels on those tracks ? :shifty: I smell a conspiracy ..

Tribesman 06-16-12 03:51 AM

Quote:

S: of course, Tribesman's theory of a welsh steam train hitting has something ... but why do they need double-rimmed wheels on those tracks ? :shifty: I smell a conspiracy ..
It was an experiment into high speed sheep shifting, the need for rapid mass transit was having difficulty over huntings wobblies so they went for the double flange.
Its all available on the interwebs and its all true as it has been written.

JU_88 06-16-12 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 1898083)
I saw wheels that looked like that on a narrow gauge railway in Wales.
It proves without doubt that the Pentagon was really hit by a Welsh steam train hijacked by the sons of glendower.

:har:

mapuc 06-16-12 03:59 PM

Those who believe in conspiracy theories about the two towers collapse have an explanation problem according to those who support the official line.

conspiracy believer can not explain how people could manage to place all the explosives in the twin towers. the two towers closed for a few days before 9/11.

According to the rules most people know about the demolition, then these demolitions team, spend several weeks in order to place all the explosives in order to get a proper free fall.

What if both supporter and opponent of these conspiracies are wrong?

What if both parts are partly right?

What if:

It was roughly known where the planes would hit the twin towers?
What if they used the law of gravity to help.
What if they used the upper part of the 110 floors as a kind of pressure on the lower floors.

How much explosive do you need then?
How much time do a team of these demolitons people need?


Remember it is just pure theory-which may not have basis in reality

Markus

Dowly 06-16-12 04:06 PM

Here's a good two part debate about mainly the usage of explosives.

Hardfire - Mark Roberts vs. Richard Gage (the '1500 architects' guy):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlYVUUTeZp0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45Imd5i7IGo

August 06-16-12 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 1898316)
the two towers closed for a few days before 9/11.

Source?

mapuc 06-16-12 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by August (Post 1898383)
Source?

I have that from news channels and articles

It was said that the two towers was closed for some kind of maintance

I can't remember when and for how long. I thought it was for 2 days.

Are you saying that is not true??

I'm sorry, I must have mixed something together.

I seached the internet and found this

I know it's from one of these believes, but is it a lie what this person is telling us???

http://world911truth.org/world-trade...1-power-downs/


Markus

Dowly 06-16-12 06:27 PM

Quote:

#1, it's sourced by one person only, Scott Forbes, and
corroboration seems limited.

#2, why would such a lengthy "power down" be necessary for a cable
upgrade? This plainly didn't have anything to do with the main power lines
into the building, as it only affected the floors from 50 upwards. What work
could possibly be done on the floor below, that required turning off the
power for 50+ floors (or whatever it reall was) for 36 hours? If there were
rewiring to be done, isn’t it more likely that this would be carried out in
parallel, and companies would be switched from the old system to the new
in a few minutes?

#3, are we supposed to believe that security systems fed off the same
power system as everything else? So a power cut meant no security at all?
Look at the affected tenants, if the “floor 50 upwards” version is true --
First Commercial Bank (floor 78), Fuji Bank (79-82), Fiduciary Trust,
Atlantic Bank of New York... Do you really think these companies would
live with a situation like that, or not object that all security for their offices
has been disabled?

#4, even if all this were true, it still only provided access to half of one
tower. What about the North Tower? WTC7? No mention of "power downs"
there.

#5, the power down time was initially reported as 36 hours, and a
subsequent interview cut this to 26.
From: http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc_power_down.html

mapuc 06-16-12 06:38 PM

^ Thank you for the link :up:

If I should meet this Scott Forbes I would not hesitatet to ask him

-Are you lying?

What do you gain from that??

Markus

August 06-16-12 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 1898403)
Are you saying that is not true??

I'm just asking if you have a source for this claim. As far as I know the buildings did not close.

mapuc 06-16-12 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by August (Post 1898416)
I'm just asking if you have a source for this claim. As far as I know the buildings did not close.

And it seems that you were right. I had made some kind of mixup of old news and some other stuf.

Markus

mapuc 06-16-12 08:28 PM

Maybe I should tell you where I got this theory from.

A few weeks ago, two mini skycrapers(13 and 15 storeys high) in Rødover, a town just outside Copenhagen, was demolished.
This grating / demolition was live transmitted on TV2news

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWBn6j3uaoM

Remember that I was thinking-how would those who believe in these conspiracy theories explain this?
This Danish company(With help from the Scottish explosives expert William Sinclair) used several days of preparation before that blast

Now imagine then how much time and resources a demolition company would need to demolish these three buildings.

It was then I began to rethink- What if ....

Markus

MH 06-17-12 07:50 AM

http://static.quickmeme.com/media/social/qm.gif
http://static.quickmeme.com/media/social/qm.gif
http://picgusta.com/img/f/GUJ0L.jpg

:yeah:

Dowly 06-17-12 07:55 AM

Brilliant :haha:

Catfish 06-19-12 05:41 AM

Umm Dowly, did you really watch the 9/11 hardfire vids, and information ?
e.g. that one ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlYVUUTeZp0


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