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Oberon 01-18-12 03:49 PM

It's swinging more and more against the captain...I still don't like the why this has been handled though. Carnival have shown themselves to have no willingness to support their employees. If I were working for them I'm be seriously considering moving to another company because the way they immediately offered the captain up as a sacrificial goat indicates that they have something to hide too...be it a lack of proper employee training, a lack of protocol enforcement on their vessels (the fact that more of the crew on the ship were entertainers instead of actual ship crew), a lack of safety awareness and general corner-cutting to try and save money and gain profit.
Basically, what most companies do but get away with until something goes wrong.

Then again, these days, there's very little loyalty from companies to their staff, and that's a sad thing.

But yes, it's not looking good for the captain, I will admit that.

Jimbuna 01-18-12 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1823683)
It's swinging more and more against the captain...I still don't like the why this has been handled though. Carnival have shown themselves to have no willingness to support their employees. If I were working for them I'm be seriously considering moving to another company because the way they immediately offered the captain up as a sacrificial goat indicates that they have something to hide too...be it a lack of proper employee training, a lack of protocol enforcement on their vessels (the fact that more of the crew on the ship were entertainers instead of actual ship crew), a lack of safety awareness and general corner-cutting to try and save money and gain profit.
Basically, what most companies do but get away with until something goes wrong.

Then again, these days, there's very little loyalty from companies to their staff, and that's a sad thing.

But yes, it's not looking good for the captain, I will admit that.

^ Another good post :yep:

What's accepted privately is not always accepted publicly...when the wheel comes off.

kraznyi_oktjabr 01-18-12 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch (Post 1823655)
A complete contrast to the guy who landed on/in the Hudson, double checked everyone out and last to leave. :yeah:

Another good example was captain of MS Sally Albatross which sunk into shallow waters off Helsinki in March 4, 1994. Was last to leave the ship and only after getting direct order from company.

kraznyi_oktjabr 01-18-12 04:03 PM

As we are talking much about captain's performance here I want to make a little bit off topic comment here.

I really respect captains' of those cruiseferries travelling in northern Baltic Sea. I have read many accident investigation reports on those accidents and performance after accident have been exceptional in all cases taking into account what information they had when making decisions. So if there happens to be any of them reading: thank you all very much. :salute:

mapuc 01-18-12 04:18 PM

As I wrote before, it's not the first time a captain disembark from his ship. The text below is from the Danish wiki

The night of the 7th April was the ferry (Scandinavian Star) in the Skagerrak, as there around noon. 00:50 fire broke /(Have shorten it)
At 03.28 Captain Hugo Larsen announced that he could no longer be on board and assured the captain of Stena Saga that everyone was rescued, although there were still more than 40 survivors back at this time. This announcement also meant that at first not smoke divers were sent to the burning ship, although there were still many survivors back on board.

He was heavily criticized for this and probably also fired

Markus

Tribesman 01-18-12 04:51 PM

So now the head of the RINA department which certified the vessel and route has resigned.
I wonder when the board of Carnival will put their hands up to their mistakes?
Silly question really.
Enrico Scerni who resigned said everyone knew cruise vessels routinely "take a bow" at Giglio

Jimbuna 01-19-12 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 1823735)
Enrico Scerni who resigned said everyone knew cruise vessels routinely "take a bow" at Giglio

That is precisely one of the snippets of information I was unable to post, for obvious reasons.

Kapitan 01-19-12 02:09 PM

perhapse it will come out in the wash, the guy is experianced but what id like to know was he in manual control or on auto pilot?

Kapitan 01-19-12 02:13 PM

double post sorry

kraznyi_oktjabr 01-19-12 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna (Post 1824023)
That is precisely one of the snippets of information I was unable to post, for obvious reasons.

Well now its not secret anymore. Also cruise line's efforts to put blame solely to captain are not holding water (sorry had to use that).

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...esco-schettino

Type941 01-20-12 05:51 AM

Yup,
picture seems to be:

1) captain is a reckless kinda guy
2) Carnival sanctioned dangerous maneuvers which absolves captain from the blame
3) Captain actually saved the ship VERY well considering the damage it probably took from hitting a reef at +20knots
4) Captain was not last to leave but why it was we don't know - either he needed to coordinate from outside the ship, or he ran away (a brave maneuver to save the ship first, then total panic... who knows).

From the link, here's the ship maneuver - is it done by a total coward?
http://www.odin.tc/pics/costaconcordia10.jpg
This resource is in russian language, but with google translate you'll find it's an interesting one: http://www.odin.tc/newsru/read.asp?articleID=139

Jimbuna 01-22-12 06:51 AM

A small extract from young Buna outlining a couple of the procedures that are being taken by cruise liners now (hopefully every one).

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regulations and company procedures are soon going to be ammended.

I have been chosen by the company to go on a ship crisis management behaviour course when i get back its on the 19th March just for the one day down in London, I will then be certified (under STCW which is the certified training alliance for the merchant navy) to deal with passenger crisis management onboard in the event of an emergency and to also give training to other officers/crew in relation to crisis management onboard, so that will be good for the CV and experience.

We have also took extra safety steps onboard with permission of the company to disembark any passengers which do not attend the lifeboat muster safety brief which is conducted before we set sail from our home port (*****), sounds crazy but some passengers still after what has happened point blank refuse to attend, so this should now solve that problem.

Jimbuna 01-22-12 11:14 AM

13th body recovered:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16672216

Hottentot 01-22-12 12:24 PM

This situation just is a no-win. On one hand they have to recover the bodies, and many are still missing. On the other, there is a possible environmental catasrophe waiting around the corner, and they can't do anything about it until the ship has been completely searched.


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