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Capt. Morgan 03-19-11 04:14 PM

Most likley a combined op.
 
French jet launches token attack.

Libyan Radar lights up just long enough up to see if anything else is on the way, and to deal with the attacker.

U.S. Recon Aircraft logs radar locations while they are active and passes info on to their ships with the missiles. who configure and deliver the real attack.

Don't really see how you can say Obama's lagging here.

Torplexed 03-19-11 04:15 PM

(Reuters) - Russia said on Saturday it regretted a decision by Western nations to take military action in Libya.

Well, you had veto power at the UN and you abstained instead. :hmmm:

Fish 03-19-11 04:18 PM

Plane shot down at Bengazi



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKezzxFgEvY&NR=1

TarJak 03-19-11 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torplexed (Post 1623369)
(Reuters) - Russia said on Saturday it regretted a decision by Western nations to take military action in Libya.

Well, you had veto power at the UN and you abstained instead. :hmmm:

When you have a bet each way, you need to publicly voice your concerns otherwise risk your arms sales contracts.:03:

Jimbuna 03-19-11 04:30 PM

Up to 120 Cruise fired by US warships; US & British subs against Lybian air Defense systems

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12796972

STEED 03-19-11 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna (Post 1623381)
Up to 120 Cruise fired by US warships; US & British subs against Lybian air Defense systems

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12796972

So have we now run out of missiles?

Jimbuna 03-19-11 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 1623431)
So have we now run out of missiles?

More than likely....considering the defence review cuts :DL

TarJak 03-19-11 05:49 PM

Ask Vladimir if he'll lend you some.:03:

Skybird 03-19-11 05:51 PM

Or the opposite is true: they already ran out of targets! :D

Platapus 03-19-11 06:04 PM

So what happens if the rebels turn out to be worse than Qaddafi?

We don't even know what or who the rebels are or what they want, but we are using our military to support them?

Suppose the rebels turn out to be AQ based?

Some always assume that those who overthrow a dictator are pro-democracy. A hazardous assumption. :yep:

Bilge_Rat 03-19-11 06:04 PM

According to various websites, the French Air Force has been in operation over Libya since 1 pm local time. They put up 6-8 Rafales and 4 Mirages over Libya. They have carried out a minimum of 4 ground strikes, neutralising "many" Libyan AFVs.

There are unconfirmed reports that 1 plane has been shot down, but France denies this.

The French are diplomatic whores who will get into bed with anyone who furthers their interest, but they currently have the best/most professional armed forces in western europe. If they are taking an active role, I predict some serious "ass whuppin".



http://www.defense.gouv.fr/operation...nes-francaises


http://www.lefigaro.fr/international...sez-le-feu.php


http://elysee.blog.lemonde.fr/2011/0...de-la-defense/

Alex 03-19-11 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by joegrundman (Post 1623193)
well, the only thing that could make this even remotely entertaining is if the USA stays out of it. It would be worth it to see what France and Britain alone can do. There was a time each nation could simultaneously fight 3 Libyas in different continents.

But that's unlikely to be the case. No one wants to miss out on a chance for some righteous bomb throwing

Hillary Clinton says we "should not doubt our commitment" to form a huge high tech alliance that can smash up another third world s--theap.

I like her official use of *things we fear gaddafi might do* as justification. It is the world of August!

Wasn't it all predictable since the beginning of the riots in the middle east ?
But I must say I'm still wondering how the presence in this fight of these guys behind Mr I got the Nobel peace prize while at war can be considered a normal procedure by people living anywhere in the world.
Anyway, we may be able to handle Libya ourselves. But whatever Hillary says, or whatever anyone thinks, or does ? Once there is crude oil in the place, the united states just need to enter the battlefield, period.

Yet I'm still wondering what France got to do in Libya fighting Khadafi's troops while we're not capable to handle our own muslim community in here, LOL. Don't you go sweeping the floor in another country when yours is clean ?

I'd not say most of us are against French presence in Libya, but most of us don't understand what we have to do in there seeing the current situation in our OWN country, at least.

Tribesman 03-19-11 06:43 PM

Quote:

We don't even know what or who the rebels are or what they want, but we are using our military to support them?
What is even better is that the UAE is sending forces to help protect the pro democracy protests in Libya while at the same time sending forces to bahrain to crush the pro democracy protests.

Skybird 03-19-11 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex (Post 1623505)
Wasn't it all predictable since the beginning of the riots in the middle east ?
But I must say I'm still wondering how the presence in this fight of these guys behind Mr I got the Nobel peace prize while at war can be considered a normal procedure by people living anywhere in the world.
Anyway, we may be able to handle Libya ourselves. But whatever Hillary says, or whatever anyone thinks, or does ? Once there is crude oil in the place, the united states just need to enter the battlefield, period.

Yet I'm still wondering what France got to do in Libya fighting Khadafi's troops while we're not capable to handle our own muslim community in here, LOL. Don't you go sweeping the floor in another country when yours is clean ?

While I am split over taking action over Lybia (we agfain can just help to bring an Islamist bunch of cavemen to power), I simply demand the Europeans that they put their money where their always loud and wide open mouth is. Also, Gaddafi was and is of no real use for Europe, different Western comfortable tolerance for regimes like Egypt that helped to hold Muslim Brotherhood in check.

Just don'T deliver weapons to Lybia, nor allow Russia or China to later sell them weapons. These trades of hightech weapons to Muslim countries and failed states MUST STOP. Even more so when the customer nation demands technology transfer to be part fo the deal.

Skybird 03-19-11 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 1623492)
So what happens if the rebels turn out to be worse than Qaddafi?

We don't even know what or who the rebels are or what they want, but we are using our military to support them?

Suppose the rebels turn out to be AQ based?

Some always assume that those who overthrow a dictator are pro-democracy. A hazardous assumption. :yep:

We have supported worse figures in the Iranian uprise and called leaders our friends that are outspoken enemies of the West and want the nuclear armament of Iran as passionately as Ahmadinejadh. We call fundamewn tlaists as moderates there just because we do not want to know their real nature.

The uncertainty over Lybia'S rebels is an improvement, compared to this. Becasue the uncertainty bears an element of chance and opportunity - and that, no matter how unreliable and unpredictable that is, is more than in case of Egypt and Iran.

And if we find out that the new leaders are as bad as the old ones, then at least our pilots had some solid training under real conditions. It'S also the reason why I am strictlyx against delivering the rebels weapons. Let us bomb them a free lane to Lybian weapon depots instead.


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