I'm still waiting for my barrel of Iraqi oil.

I love it when you talk dirty.

I'm still trying to figure out how alleged bombing of all those nations is proof of "US Global Domination"... I mean, those must be some bombs, to also OCCUPY those countries and make them subservient US states that pay taxes to and recognize the authority of Washington.

And I'm still waiting for my genu-ine camel farm. Pretty sure the advert mentioned 6-8 weeks for the seeds to arrive. :hmmm:

Okay, I asked you once not to play that game of replying within the quote. Now I have to go to all the trouble of separating out everything because you're too lazy to reply properly.

First of all, this isn't kindergarten. Childish taunts are no different than the other bad habits you display here. Please try to discuss intelligently and avoid games.

I agree, Batista (and it's Fulgencio, not 'Flugene'), was a monster, and we were wrong to support him. But I was referring initially to the separation of Cuba from Spain, which was 35 years before Batista took power.
r. On the other hand, Castro's documented firing squad tally is only 14,000, so I guess you have me there.

Why not, since he was? I don't know about racist, but it's pretty certain he personally killed around 200. As a statistic that's not many, but as a personal score?

Obviously you don't, for all your boasting, or you wouldn't have believed everything in the slanted videos you keep linking too.

That said, at least we have a system that allows us to question the activities of our own government, which is more than any Soviet or Arabic state can say.

Again I agree about the wrongness of those. But you didn't answer my question. Show me a country you negatively compare us to, just one, in which you could say the things you're saying and not be arrested, and likely shot without a trial. Cuba? Iran? China? Russia (under the Soviets, of course)?

Please show where the US has killed that many. You're connecting everything remotely involved with the US, and I mean remotely. Do that with your favorites and you'll get similar if not worse numbers.

If you have to resort to rhetoric and derision then you're just playing games. As I said before, at least try to have a real discussion.

You seem to want to have it one way for the US and another for whomever you wish to praise. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Stalin is responsible for the deaths of around twenty million of his own people.

You already played that card, and I showed why you were totally off base here http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...8&postcount=97

Except for some isolated incidents perpetrated by individuals like Crittenden the US has never engaged in "genocide" against the natives.

Anybody can make that claim. That doesn't make it so, at least not for every subject. Your problem is that you want to argue from the point that you're sure you're right. This leads you to insult and attack rather than discuss, as I pointed out before. There are others here who do that. I'm not one of them, and you don't have to fight with me.

But you're not trying to discuss idealogy, or even history. You're sole agenda seems to be to prove that the United States is the worst group of terrorists who ever lived, and you won't discuss even that rationally.

So I'll ask again - under what Communist government could we even have this discussion?

And please use the Quote function properly this time.

Socialist Federated Republic of Yugoslavia (SFRJ)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi.../4e/SFRJ-V.jpg

Btw, communism has never been acheived. You are refering to socialist states. Communism is the state withering away a statless, classless society, this has never happened.

I'll take your word that there actually is one, out of how many?

I could have told you that, and it's nitpicking. I'm guilty of using a commonly accepted term. What are you guilty of?

I wouldn't. Yugoslavia isn't even a country anymore. It broke up when the socialist ideal proved insufficient to overcome poverty and ethnic tension.

George Bush's fault. :yep:

LOL

You remind me of someone. Have you had a Subsim account previous to this one?

lol no, who do I remind you of man?

I'm not sure but it'll come to me eventually if somebody else doesn't remember first.

This ^

Tito was no saint either. The only reason Yugoslavia stuck around so long was due to his ruthless suppression of ethic groups.

Reading through this thread kind of brought up a mix of emotions for me..

Just a few thoughts and opinions of mine:

Should the U.S have gone in to Iraq: No, though the U.S may be the worlds police, I do not EVER think ANY nations needs to regard itself as the world police. This idea that the U.S must police the world brings out a mix of hypocritic actions and the like.

Do I think Sadam was evil: Hell yes.. this is where some conflicting emotions come into play for me. The U.S should have gotten rid of Sadam the first time they went in AND THEN BACKED OFF.

On this idea that the U.S is an imperialist state: I do not believe in this at all..

Nazi killings compared to Sadam; The nazi party was convinced that any non Germanic people were subhuman, and thus took back seat the the Aryan race. This, combined with the Lebensraum (sp?) theory meant that to make space, they needed to get rid of people already on the land (comparable somewhat to the U.S/Native American debacle, but that is a different era). Sadam on the other hand was not looking for total domination of the Arab world, nor was he under the impression that the Iraqi people were superior to others in any way (to my knowledge..)

US: Being 'terrorists', lying regime, etc: I wouldn't say the U.S is a terrorist nation. I would venture that there is a fair bit of "misdirecting the truth" to meet peoples agendas. It all comes back to my biggest gripe with the U.S. The whole world police card.

It's fine and dandy if you play world police. But do it objectively and in the sense that you're there to resolve a dispute. NOT replace the whole regime, situation with one likened to the U.S (Democracy in my opinion is far from perfect. It has its perks over communism, socialism, etc but, as happened with communism, it empowers a select few to a degree where it is similar to an oligarchy). In my perfect little world, the U.S as world police wouldn't so much solve the problem, but mediate the problem (sounds too much like the U.N..) in the interest of the people of that area.

Cheers,

Krauter

Sorry if this sounds haphazard or uncoordinated. Just sitting around reading this thread made me want to jump in at points, only to realize its at p. 3, 5,7 etc. Hopefully these opinions won't lessen peoples opinion towards me, but I enjoy a good discussion and had to throw my own 2 cents in.