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Reece 11-27-10 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen (Post 1542825)
What the hell does Hitler have to do with the current crisis?

It's good to know I wasn't the only one thinking that! seemed way out of context to me!:hmmm:

sonar732 11-27-10 10:37 PM

Due to the media's inability to correctly discern the difference between a surface to surface and surface to sea missile...has anyone heard from a good source if the missiles deployed to the Yellow Sea are the Taepo Dong type or possible Silkworm type?

sonar732 11-27-10 10:48 PM

How credible is the Yonhap News Agency?

South Korea military spots North Korea firing artillery

Explosions heard

TLAM Strike 11-27-10 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sonar732 (Post 1542887)
Due to the media's inability to correctly discern the difference between a surface to surface and surface to sea missile...has anyone heard from a good source if the missiles deployed to the Yellow Sea are the Taepo Dong type or possible Silkworm type?

The Silkworm type missiles are deployed on mobile launchers mounted on tank chassis or towed by trucks. So they could be anywhere. The NK-01 turbojet variant has a range of approximately 270 nm. These could be hidden anywhere, the Norks have a lot of bunkers.

No idea on the Taepo Dong but I doubt it, it would be more inland and well protected.

The DPRK has a little over 10 SA-2 Sites near the Yellow Sea coast plus a SA-5 site, plus 6 SA-3 sites in Pyongyang, not to mention tons of AAA.

They also have around 30 small surface combatants and around 7 subs in and around Namp'o. North of Kwai they have 3 Romeos, 7 Coastal Subs, 40 small surface combatants, and 8 medium surface combatants.

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Originally Posted by sonar732 (Post 1542891)
How credible is the Yonhap News Agency?

Very...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yonhap

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Yonhap is South Korea's only news agency large enough to have 41 correspondents abroad and 110 reporters across the nation.[2] Its largest shareholder is the Korean Broadcasting System (KBS), South Korea's largest public broadcaster.

sonar732 11-27-10 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike (Post 1542903)
The Silkworm type missiles are deployed on mobile launchers mounted on tank chassis or towed by trucks. So they could be anywhere. The NK-01 turbojet variant has a range of approximately 270 nm. These could be hidden anywhere, the Norks have a lot of bunkers.

No idea on the Taepo Dong but I doubt it, it would be more inland and well protected.

The DPRK has a little over 10 SA-2 Sites near the Yellow Sea coast plus a SA-5 site, plus 6 SA-3 sites in Pyongyang, not to mention tons of AAA.

They also have around 30 small surface combatants and around 7 subs in and around Namp'o. North of Kwai they have 3 Romeos, 7 Coastal Subs, 40 small surface combatants, and 8 medium surface combatants.


Very...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yonhap

Thanks TLAM!

TLAM Strike 11-27-10 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sonar732 (Post 1542904)
Thanks TLAM!

No problem.

Here are a few Google Earth Images of the ships, now the dates on some maybe old but the DPRK doesn't move their ships from coast to coast to the counts are accurate unless they scrapped the ship.

Their large base near Kwai:
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/1148/14766127.jpg
The surface ships there, the big ones on the left are Osa type boats:
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/1994/75360368.jpg

The base at Namp'o:
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/54/71742160.jpg

Molon Labe 11-28-10 12:15 AM

My understanding is that both SA-2s and ASCMs (including "silkworms") have been deployed to the Yellow Sea coastal area.

TLAM Strike 11-28-10 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Molon Labe (Post 1542921)
My understanding is that both SA-2s and ASCMs (including "silkworms") have been deployed to the Yellow Sea coastal area.

Here is an overview of the DPRK's known SAM Sites...
http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/4712/sams.jpg
The red Triangles are SA-2s.
The Light Blue Triangles are SA-3s.
The Purple Triangles are SA-5s
The Blue Circle is a 36D6 'TIN SHIELD' Radar Site.

From: http://geimint.blogspot.com/

CCIP 11-28-10 08:16 AM

Their air defense system looks fairly pathetic, actually. Combined with their air force being largely obsolete, I can't imagine that it would take longer than a couple of hours for South Korea/combined forces to have total air superiority in this...

Yeah, I'm reading a couple of sources about missiles being moved out to the yellow sea and other launch sites. Not entirely unexpected though, they have to rattle something in response to the exercises. I'm curious whether the situation happening now is what they wanted to achieve, or if they're a little scared themselves. We'll have to wait and see what the response will be now that China is calling for talks - perhaps they'll come running to the table.

Oberon 11-28-10 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen (Post 1542825)
What the hell does Hitler have to do with the current crisis?


He gets about...actually, tbh I haven't got a clue but the rest of it is funny. :03: Well, IMHO it is anyway.

Oberon 11-28-10 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by sonar732 (Post 1542891)

Could have been this:

South Korean artillery accidentally fired into southern side of DMZ

CCIP 11-28-10 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1543034)

Oops. Now imagine if they accidentally fired one into North Korea and that, accidentally of course, started a war.

This is why you don't let Bernard man the guns :timeout:

Ducimus 11-29-10 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP (Post 1541511)
To dig up a post from a couple of pages back...



And here we finally have the answer:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11840828


:88):88):88)


/facepalm

Why won't she just do everyone a favor and just go away?

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1541566)
They do and don't, I think the ROK public is split between those who remember the Korean war and don't want another one, and those who don't and have lived with DPRK aggression and ROK restraint for all their lives. The former are those who urge the restraint and want to wait for the DPRK to collapse in on itself, whereas the latter are more aggressive and want revenge for the ROK lives lost to DPRK action over the years. The leader of the ROK has to tread a delicate line between the two if he wants to stay in power, and as the 1950s retreat further into history, the former people die off and the latter grow in number.

Excellent point and observation. It's never the old ones who were alive to see the korean war that say, "F**k you GI!", or "GI go home!" its just everybody else that spits in our face.

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 1541688)
A question to the americans

Why did you change your support? Yesterday you supported South Korea and today you are supporting North Korea that's a quick change indeed.

Markus

I for one, never changed my support for ROK. I never willingly supported them, nor the DPRK. As far as im concerned, their little civil war is none of our concern, and i just assume let them pound each other back into the stone age.

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Originally Posted by CCIP (Post 1541972)
I like how North Korea still has the nerve to send indignant warnings about exercises, while it's being widely reported that they themselves are possibly conducting exercises near the same area where the incident took place.

Same ole ... same ole.....

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Originally Posted by The Third Man (Post 1542129)
Why don't I believe this? With the great apoligizer in office, why would any nation, much less one as irresponsible as N. Korea believe this, much less feel threatened by it?


U.S. Air Force 'Ready to Strike' if Korean Tensions Escalate

[I]The U.S. Air Force is ready to respond immediately if hostilities between the two Koreas escalate,...

I believe it. There are assets prepositioned all over the penninsula, as well as emergency runways.

Gorduz 11-29-10 05:07 PM

How many subs?
 
Hi just for couriosity,

how many attacksubs do you think the USN is sending into the yellow sea as we are speaking?

Takeda Shingen 11-29-10 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Gorduz (Post 1543778)
Hi just for couriosity,

how many attacksubs do you think the USN is sending into the yellow sea as we are speaking?

Zero. They're already there.


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