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Tribesman 09-23-10 02:07 AM

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So percentages, not dollar amounts, are what matters? Again, typical resdistributionist thinking - and again, no accounting whatsoever for the fact that those same people pay a MUCH HIGHER RATE OF TAXES which go to support numerous social welfare programs to begin with.
Which has bugger all to do with validating your claims Aramike.
Using BIG LETTERS normally indicates that you digging yoursdelf deeper in the wrong direction.
Simple fact of the matter in that vein is that although the very top earners are liable to pay taxes under most systems worldwide at a higher rate good accounting means they often pay very little in dollar amounts or pecentages and indeed can often pay practicly nothing.

antikristuseke 09-23-10 02:26 AM

When it comes to taxation I support a flat tax, same deal for everyone regardless of income. Of course I am speaking of percentages here.

Catfish 09-23-10 03:53 AM

Hi,
when it comes to percentage of taxes, it is indeed the money of the poorer people that counts. You know if 5 percent of the population were really rich, the majority of money e.g. the US uses to keep up its Air Force and Navy, is collected from the 95 percent rest of the population, even if the rich certainly pay more per person. But they certainly can afford it.
Paying their smaller taxes hits poor people harder than people who are well off.

Can't say this often enough: Most taxes are not being collected from the "rich" or well-off people.
Has anyone here listened to economics, that a nation is better off when a lot of people have a bit more money, than only a few being really rich ? More middle class tax payers mean a lot more of taxes and development, and they even would have to pay less per person.

What the hell does those top managers do with 25 million dollars, and their only idea is to get another 25 ? when they are 75 years old or older ? They are are still as greedy as a locust. Do they think they can take it with them and buy themselves a seat on a cloud ?
Or do they think they invest the money in their sons to produce Mr. Bush the XIV. and build up a royal succession ?


It is not about whether i can buy a car from my money, and to hell with my neighbour who can not, and who pi$$es me off, with his poverty.
But if you have 25 millions, 5 cars and say 5 houses do you really care about paying those additional dollars for the general good, spirit and common sense indirctly, for people who cannot afford their health insurance ?

Certainly, caring for others and daring to question those old ideals of men that lived 400 years ago must be communism.
But when it comes to social behaviour or caring for others the right wing makes it seem as if it were a bunch of pirates that gave themselves a constitution. But then an US judge said the US were not a democracy, but a constitutional republic.

Greetings,
Catfish

Aramike 09-23-10 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by antikristuseke (Post 1500197)
When it comes to taxation I support a flat tax, same deal for everyone regardless of income. Of course I am speaking of percentages here.

Agreed.

DarkFish 09-23-10 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Aramike (Post 1500115)
Please again tell me how the demand of the common person for cheap goods should be completely ignored? (I really shouldn't say "again" as you never attempted to explain this the first time, but rather responded with yet another pat-yourself-on-the-back retort with absolutely no substance whatsoever.

Did I ever say it should be ignored?
It doesn't matter at all if people generally go for foreign cheap products. There are enough people who still buy locally produced products that are a little more expensive. Enough people to keep the business up, were it not that the CEO's at the top put all money into their big fat pockets. Ever read any of Duci's posts?


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Originally Posted by Aramike (Post 1500119)
Oh, and this was ripe:So percentages, not dollar amounts, are what matters? Again, typical resdistributionist thinking - and again, no accounting whatsoever for the fact that those same people pay a MUCH HIGHER RATE OF TAXES which go to support numerous social welfare programs to begin with.

Must be fun to demand so much of others while giving so little of your own...

You do exactly the same thing with taxes. You claim (see this post of yours) that the US does much more in charity than Sweden. Without taking into account that the Swedish citizen pays much more taxes.
A bit hypocritical, that you accuse me of things you do yourself, don't you think?


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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 1500187)
Which has bugger all to do with validating your claims Aramike.
Using BIG LETTERS normally indicates that you digging yoursdelf deeper in the wrong direction.
Simple fact of the matter in that vein is that although the very top earners are liable to pay taxes under most systems worldwide at a higher rate good accounting means they often pay very little in dollar amounts or pecentages and indeed can often pay practicly nothing.

:up:

Aramike 09-23-10 07:11 AM

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Can't say this often enough: Most taxes are not being collected from the "rich" or well-off people.
Really? Or are you just saying that because you need it to be true in order to support your argument?

Because it's not even close to true.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/746.html

Aramike 09-23-10 07:16 AM

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Did I ever say it should be ignored?
No, you just ignored it, and actions speak louder than words. Actually, you dismissed it.
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It doesn't matter at all if people generally go for foreign cheap products.
Sure, buddy - that evil corporation that is Walmart doesn't economically impact anything at all... :yeah:

It matters, a great deal.
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You do exactly the same thing with taxes. You claim (see this post of yours) that the US does much more in charity than Sweden. Without taking into account that the Swedish citizen pays much more taxes.
Really? Where did I say that?

In every statistic I've ever seen, the Swedes are the most charitable people on Earth.

Care to continue the European pat-ourselves-on-the-back-fest without any substance? Oh, and that's rich, quoting Tribesman, the singular, most prolific troll on the forums who time and time again has demonstrated is lack of mental proclivities through his wiki-education. His point is idiotic - look at the percentage of taxes collected in the US, and look at who's paying those taxes - seems like we need better accountants. (Although I will concede that Democrat politicians are excellent at avoiding taxes.)

Sailor Steve 09-23-10 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by antikristuseke
When it comes to taxation I support a flat tax, same deal for everyone regardless of income. Of course I am speaking of percentages here.

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Originally Posted by Aramike
Agreed.

I don't support taxes on income at all. Ever.

Méo 09-23-10 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1500561)
I don't support taxes on income at all. Ever.

So how would you finance your military. :06:

Aramike 09-23-10 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1500561)
I don't support taxes on income at all. Ever.

Fair enough, and I tend to agree with you. So let me rephrase - short of a complete overhaul of the tax code I'd much prefer a flat tax to our graduated bracket system.

Aramike 09-23-10 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Méo (Post 1500626)
So how would you finance your military. :06:

National sales tax.

Takeda Shingen 09-23-10 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Aramike (Post 1500633)
Fair enough, and I tend to agree with you. So let me rephrase - short of a complete overhaul of the tax code I'd much prefer a flat tax to our graduated bracket system.

Absolutely. I detest income taxes completely, but since we live in the real world I would settle for a flat tax.

Méo 09-23-10 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Aramike (Post 1500635)
National sales tax.

Would that be enough...;)

TLAM Strike 09-23-10 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Méo (Post 1500626)
So how would you finance your military. :06:

Tribute... :hmmm:

Méo 09-23-10 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike (Post 1500647)
Tribute... :hmmm:

You mean like the Treaty of Versailles...


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