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The Third Man 08-06-10 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 1461715)
None of my neighbours in this house or street is a threat to me; I have been active in a local civil rights movement against a mosque and now am engaged in another, more official way again, I have confronted muslim info desks in the pedestrian zone years ago and anaged them in loud and confronting arguments that at two times even made them withdrwing their desks; and the political system is such that you cannot climb in any party's hierarchy if you are violating it's usual ways and rules (not all of them are in favour of democarcy, but own oarty power); and finally there are regional movements against Islam all of which either accepted to collaborate with Nazis claiming to also fight for freedoma nd against Islam, or allowed to get hijacked in their public perception by rightwing fanatics - I am neither right-wing, nor am I a Nazi; I am anti-totalitarian, anti-institutionalised-religions, anti-EU and anti-islam, I am pro-freedom, i am "awqay from the nations and supranations, back to the regions, and personally I am a secularist and atheist.

I have been in a party for short time, after school, the CDU. It was terrible. I stayed long eough to relaise that from inside the parties you cannot do anything. even less now with the EU lying in constant ambush for earning more powers and eroding democracy and freedom in europe even more.

Or to put it a bit more provokative: if Bin Laden would have flown his damn hijacked planes not into the WTO, but into party headquarters or EU commission buildings, I would remain silent and think he should be given a medal for freeing us from these almost criminal, conspirating vultures that rip our home and cultures to pieces.

That'S why I do not found a party. Not only do I lack thre support, last but not least financially, and the knpowledge on adminstration anyhow, but in this climate it would have no chance anyhow.

no, you must fight the battle one-on-one: meet, engage, make thinking the individual person; or collect info that maybe one day will help to send juristically relevant blows to Islam in Germany in such quality and/or numbers that people wake up and start marching in the streets and confront the government with massive waves of civil disobedience - or chasing them away, while we are already at it. If you play by the established political rules, your chances to acchieve anything outside the established and officially wanted aims are worse than 1:99. chances for my views are not big either - but they are slightly better, I hope. And "slightly better" is more than "almost nothing".

Or to put it short: I do not share your optimism for the individual's political rights in our queer societies anymore.

So you continue to fight for what you beleive....I salute you.

Tribesman 08-06-10 04:22 PM

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If there had been a recipe for apple pie below the article, would you have assumed I was talking about baking something?
If the link was about a politician proposals and the article in the link had the politician proposing to bake an apple pie then it would, if it was an unrelated advert for pies on the bottom then it wouldn't.
Since the article was about proposals by a politician and contained two proposals by that politician then its relevant...especially as both are really non stories and both concern concern things you support yet are somehow objecting to.


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I have been active in a local civil rights movement
:har::har::har::har::har::har:
Skys civil rights movement is to take away others rights, he is on the same page as the fundys:down:

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The building is nothing but a slap in the face for those closely involved with those towers.
You don't speak for those people so if you don't mind please don't try to speak for them.

Sailor Steve 08-06-10 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 1461677)
Whatever, Steve. As I said, I see myself as determined - not fearful, phobic, irrational, hatefilled, or missionary,

As I tried to say, and poorly, that's how you come across to me, sometimes, and why I sometimes react the way I do. I just want to apologize if my words were wrong in this case, and make sure you understand I'm not trying to intimate that you really are that way.

Ducimus 08-12-10 10:03 PM

Im not one who normally bumps recently dead topics, but I can find no better place to say this.

I am not a big fan of a mosque at ground zero. I really don't think Islam is a religion of peace. But you know......

These people are no better.
http://www.ctpost.com/news/article/A...que-606515.php
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsw_L5dPlqc#t=51s

If this crap catch's on, the idea of a "crystal night" happening at some point doesn't sound all that far fetched. The idea of that happening in the US is more revolting to me, then a mosque at ground zero.

August 08-12-10 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus (Post 1466256)
If this crap catch's on, the idea of a "crystal night" happening at some point doesn't sound all that far fetched. The idea of that happening in the US is more revolting to me, then a mosque at ground zero.

They had to go as far as Texas to get just 12 protesters. Doesn't sound like much of a movement to me...

krashkart 08-12-10 10:29 PM

^^ Werd. Let's hope it stays at twelve. :yep:


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Originally Posted by From the article
"Jesus hates Muslims," they screamed at worshippers arriving at the Masjid An-Noor mosque to prepare for the holy week of Ramadan.

Sooo... everything I learned at vacation bible school years ago amounts to "God/Jesus Hates <whatever>". No... way. I would have so much fun tearing them a new one.

Task Force 08-12-10 10:49 PM

I say we open up a pork and ham shop at ground zero also! Have its smell go right into there! and we could pipe funny music from the middle east (or india,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bAN7...eature=related)

frau kaleun 08-13-10 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1466257)
Doesn't sound like much of a movement to me...

That's funny, to me it sounds exactly like a movement. Of a particular kind. ;)

krashkart 08-13-10 01:17 PM

Ah yes, classical music is a wonderful thing... hey, wait a minute! :doh:

frau kaleun 08-13-10 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by krashkart (Post 1466840)
Ah yes, classical music is a wonderful thing... hey, wait a minute! :doh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUNWz6a5UcE

SteamWake 08-14-10 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Fox News

WASHINGTON -- After skirting the controversy for weeks, President Barack Obama is weighing in forcefully on the mosque near ground zero, saying a nation built on religious freedom must allow it.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...r-ground-zero/

Platapus 08-14-10 12:34 PM

I think it is bad form for the President to opine on this matter. The President, any president, does not need to comment on every single issue popularized by the media.

This issue has nothing to do with the executive branch or the federal government at all. At its highest it is a New York State issue and even that is stretching it. This is a local municipality zoning issue.

The President, frankly, needs to stay out of this. By taking a position, any position, he is only making this issue worse.

SteamWake 08-14-10 01:02 PM

I agree but dont you see the compulsion to be the center focus of all things?

By the way dont think that this comming out on a Saturday is just a coincidence.

Skybird 08-14-10 02:37 PM

Obama at least is consistent in his policy of appeasing Islam.


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