actually if you look at the eula for any piece of software you will find you dont actually own anything. you have merely purchased a liscense to use said software. besides, why do people think ubi or any company would just up and drop the drm without patching it? has this been the norm? i think a move like that would doom any company and dont see the slightest threat of it happening

Yeah you are right - shouldn't let him get to me:salute:

Well, I thought the connotation behind 'bad penny' was, ah . . . rather auspicious for a U-boat commander, what with a bad penny always turning up no matter what. :03:

@Moeceefus

Is that true? to be honest I haven't attempted to read any of those EULA agreements for decades :oops: more fool me I guess. Well I take it back then, UBI aren't doing anything different than anyone else in that case. Shutting up now.

Well done! :up:

What a cool name - nice one matey:up:

that is actually funny coming from you...:salute:

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Ask the old hats what this means.

The Management

That's your warning, boys.

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I am sorry, is this the best you can do?....

Why not make a super thread for all the hater comments, something you guys can actually keep updated. Keep our forum a little cleaner, so people coming for information can find how to play SH5, where to find mods, updates about the game they are "playing". Instead of finding all this crap that you guys are letting continue here.

I believe everyone has an opinion and I certainly don't promote censoring or closing threads.So with all the admins intent on making this place the shining example of how internet etiquette should be, instead of the mess that that you have let this place become, maybe show a little bit of support for the game and the players. Update the MOD and stickied threads, keep the forums clean for the new guys/gals.

Check my statistics, I am usually, (before SH5) a quiet reserved guy. Lately I am annoyed at how much you guys have let this place slide. So I am not gonna sit here and let people that do not even own the game rant about how crap it is, I don't care if my egg shell dance will get harder, I don't care which person I piss off. I am defending a fine piece of software, which will surpass what SH3 ever was in no time..

Don't mistake yourselves here, this is a battle and if you come over to this side of the forum, from the peaceful general topics and introduce yourself threads, I am sorry but you will see pissed off and annoyed people speaking out of turn and spiting each other. This is the fallout from the DRM issue, that is all it is... Don't be confused on that one either DRM is here to stay so it is a dead issue....

But, I will not let a few negative threads be the end all and tell all to this game. If you post negative about the game, back it up with feedback and let some of us have a crack at fixing it before "returning" your copy to best buy. If you post negatively and you can't back it up, expect players enjoying the game to let you know your wrong....

Let us players have what the SH4 players had, a chance to make this a great game with the support of a fine community and an even greater forum. Let us have that at least.

Maybe the old hats have gotten a little too old for this kind of work. no? yes?

Exactly. When a poster comes along all "in yo face" throwing the insults around, and acting tough, the best reply is just to let their post hang for all to see. :yep:

I fail to see why anyone should have to purchase a game in order to post valid concerns about it here.

Yet some are pushing just that, and flaming away. :shifty:

Because they don't. They post the same tired, lame rants about DRM and Ubisoft and how SH lost it's way and how anyone that bought the game is weak and stupid and how the game sucks compared to how awesome TMO or GWX or whatever their favorite previous flavor of SH was and how it's lost all it's appeal and anyone that bought it got what they deserve and hopefully Silent Hunter will die now and be resurrected by some gracious game company that will Do The Right Thing™ and how they haven't bought the game and won't ever buy it.

I think I covered all their points... Some of these people you feel are "posting valid concerns" have done NOTHING but troll since before the game even came out. Brag has yet to post anything in the Silent Hunter 5 forum that wasn't an insult against owners or the same exhausted DRM rant for example. Pure and simple trolling. It doesn't help the forum at all and sure isn't the behavior of an Officer nor a Gentleman. It's all childish. Just read this thread...

Hmmm, well if I had never ate pork, how could I comment on how much I hate it and will never buy or eat it?

Just to point out, you do realise that the whole "permission that you are selling" is all software developers have been doing for about 15 years or so, right?

If you actually read the ToU/EULA, which are contractually binding upon you (as it is stated to be required for you to read it and agree to it before you install the game, and failing to read it but pressing "Agree/OK" is still you agreeing to a contract, as reading said contract isn't required), in 99.99% of games it will state that you merely own a licence to use the game, which can, in fact, be revoked at any time the developers/publishers see fit by a variety of means. All you own is the disk which happens to hold the data, they still own all the data on it.

The only thing that Ubisoft has done is taking it to the next level.

So... no offence intended, but the quoted part of your post is moot, since that applies in almost all circumstances involving the "selling" of any and all professionally developed software on the market, unless otherwise stated.